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Question about 1921-D Morgan VAM-1X (giant cud)

UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
I was searching around VAMworld trying to assign VAM numbers to a variety of recent purchases. Looking at the listings for the 1921-D Morgan is daunting to say the least with all the sub varieties.

I have a 1921-D with a bagillion die cracks and a reverse die break. The die break is on the reverse, triangle shaped, with die cracks around it. I have not been able to match it with any examples listed at VAMworld. The obverse is interesting in that my coin has many die cracks, including one that matches the cud location on the VAM-1X.

Any thoughts?

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  • << <i>I was searching around VAMworld trying to assign VAM numbers to a variety of recent purchases. Looking at the listings for the 1921-D Morgan is daunting to say the least with all the sub varieties.

    I have a 1921-D with a bagillion die cracks and a reverse die break. The die break is on the reverse, triangle shaped, with die cracks around it. I have not been able to match it with any examples listed at VAMworld. The obverse is interesting in that my coin has many die cracks, including one that matches the cud location on the VAM-1X.

    Any thoughts?

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    There's only one known VAM 1X and not likely there are more.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Take a look at VAM 3A. Oh, and how does the rest of that coin look? 1921-D Morgans with nice color don't come around too often.
  • Word 'giant' might be excessive.
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Word 'giant' might be excessive. >>



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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Messydesk beat me to it...3A Streamer Wing.
    Successful B/S/T transactions: As Seller: PascoWA (June 2008); MsMorrisine (April 2009); ECHOES (July 2009) As Buyer: bfjohnson (July 2008); robkool (Dec 2010); itsnotjustme (Dec 2010) TwoSides2aCoin (Dec 2018) PrivateCoin Jan 2019
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you. VAM-3A it is. Here are a couple of BIG pics to confirm. VAMWorld says R-7? That can't be right, is it?


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    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    The R-7 should be taken with a grain of salt. The rarity scale for VAMs is as follows:

    These are estimates by Leroy Van Allen.

    R-1 Common (tems of Millions)
    R-2 Not so Common (Several Million)
    R-3 Scarce (Hundreds of Thousands)
    R-4 Very Scarce (Tens of Thousands)
    R-5 Rare (Several Thousand)
    R-6 Very Rare (Several Hundred)
    R-7 Extremely Rare (Few Tens)
    R-8 Unique or Nearly Unique ( Several)

    To say that there are only a "few tens" of VAM 3A out there is probably underestimating the number of coins that exist... maybe a few hundred? Maybe a thousand? Who knows. I just would not put too much stock in the R-7 number...

    Edited to add: That coin needs to take a "dip" to get rid of all that tarnish!
    Successful B/S/T transactions: As Seller: PascoWA (June 2008); MsMorrisine (April 2009); ECHOES (July 2009) As Buyer: bfjohnson (July 2008); robkool (Dec 2010); itsnotjustme (Dec 2010) TwoSides2aCoin (Dec 2018) PrivateCoin Jan 2019
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Edited to add: That coin needs to take a "dip" to get rid of all that tarnish! >>



    Dip? Heck no. I use a wire brush, cleans them up and makes them really shinny!
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a streamer wing! I have owned one of these, and it did sell for a premium (I just can't remember how much of one!)...
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1921-D Morgans with nice color don't come around too often. >>


    Hmmm.... Case in point, I guess. That toning is colorful, but very "noisy."
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Word 'giant' might be excessive. >>



    Just a tad..........

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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Edited to add: That coin needs to take a "dip" to get rid of all that tarnish! >>



    Dip? Heck no. I use a wire brush, cleans them up and makes them really shinny! >>


    Looks like you started, already!image
    Paul
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't mind the wire brush or the dip but please, please no red markers!!

    STOP THAT!!

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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's some dang funkalicious color. Too bad the coin ain't new. image

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jackson Pollock's pocket piece image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Jackson Pollock's pocket piece image >>


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