Disturbing dealer on eBay ........OUTED !
PawPaul
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I bought (reluctantly and against my motto ) a raw Franklin off eBay that a good sized established dealer offered as MS 66 and backed up his opinion of the grade with an offer to allow a 90 day return
privilege if I wanted to send the coin to PCGS for grading .
The coin was not a MS 66 needless to say , furthermore , it had a patch of PVC removed via whizzing on the obverse and would never be graded @ any grade by PCGS .
I returned the coin with an explanation as to why .......... and then promptly saw the same coin up again on eBay with the same orig. description : MS 66 , and not one mention of the problem , which was
blatant to the naked eye . Did the dealer make an error re-listing it , or could he care less ?
I could email him and ask him ....... but what kind of answer do you think I would get ?
privilege if I wanted to send the coin to PCGS for grading .
The coin was not a MS 66 needless to say , furthermore , it had a patch of PVC removed via whizzing on the obverse and would never be graded @ any grade by PCGS .
I returned the coin with an explanation as to why .......... and then promptly saw the same coin up again on eBay with the same orig. description : MS 66 , and not one mention of the problem , which was
blatant to the naked eye . Did the dealer make an error re-listing it , or could he care less ?
I could email him and ask him ....... but what kind of answer do you think I would get ?
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bob
I WANT THE LINK!
I want to learn something. How do you know the coin had PVC?
Ken
as for the PVC , well now
I'd be happy to "teach"
There was a bright "brilliant" area behind Bens head on the otherwise fully toned coin . It looked to my naked eye like a problem area as there were faint hairlines that caught the light and were all flowing in one direction
and they were all parallel to each other .
Under 10X magnification , the PVC had pitted the silver and the whizzing left traces of the tell tail green crud that is easily recognizable when the PVC reacts with the metal over a long period .
Even tough 90% of the "crud" had been removed , some of it still remained as blackish/greenish goop in the concave pits under the whizzed surface and within the "brilliant" patch .
I don't want to out the dealer because of the 2% chance that it was an honest mistake re-listing the coin ; and hopefully , since I believe he is a member here ; he will pull the auction post haste .
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<< <i>The OP would have a much better case if he had submitted the coin to PCGS and it had come back with the problems claimed. >>
If the coin had an obvious problem, why waste the time and money to confirm what you already know? A close-up pic of the area in question would have been a plus and a link to the auction is a necessity if the OP wants to be creditable in his claim.
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<< <i>Get the pitchforks and torches ready
<< <i>He recently listed an obvious Chinese fake 1928 Peace Dollar graded MS68 - avoid at all costs.
If this is true, then you most definitely have a case for "outing" this dipshidiot!
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<< <i>Get the pitchforks and torches ready
We are ready, sir.
Why not link to the item in question? There seems to be no need for cloak and dagger here considering you were refunded.
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<< <i>OP states that the seller was offering a 90 day return policy so that the buyer can have the item slabbed... that's certainly not the usual MO of a scammer.
Why not link to the item in question? There seems to be no need for cloak and dagger here considering you were refunded. >>
I agree! Sounds like one of your better sellers.
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<< <i>The OP would have a much better case if he had submitted the coin to PCGS and it had come back with the problems claimed. >>
I did not claim it had a problem ; it had a whizzed spot the size of a pea behind Ben's head in the field - PCGS would NEVER grade it .
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<< <i>The OP would have a much better case if he had submitted the coin to PCGS and it had come back with the problems claimed. >>
If the coin had an obvious problem, why waste the time and money to confirm what you already know? A close-up pic of the area in question would have been a plus and a link to the auction is a necessity if the OP wants to be creditable in his claim. >>
....it's not a necessity and my creditability is not in question , quite the contrary ; the dealer that promptly relisted the coin after I pointed out the blatantly obvious reason it would never grade at PCGS is the one
with a creditability concern .
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<< <i>He recently listed an obvious Chinese fake 1928 Peace Dollar graded MS68 - avoid at all costs.
If this is true, then you most definitely have a case for "outing" this dipshidiot!
..I wrote him , let me go check to see if he answered
<< <i>I did not claim it had a problem... >>
Yet you described the dealer as "disturbing"? What do you call dealers you *do* have a problem with?
<< <i>possibly he didnt agree with you, im assuming you got your money back so the dealer owes you nothing, i vote: move on. the next guy may be completely happy with it >>
..I'm ready to move on , and if the next guy like's his coins with a rather large whizzed area on his coins - then I agree with you
<< <i>OP states that the seller was offering a 90 day return policy so that the buyer can have the item slabbed... that's certainly not the usual MO of a scammer.
Why not link to the item in question? There seems to be no need for cloak and dagger here considering you were refunded. >>
...the seller with a feedback of over 2000 and but a couple frivolous negs is not a scammer ;
the issue is I returned the coin with the notation of the whizzing , he admitted it looked like he and his crew completely blew that one in his reply .......
then I see it right back up on eBay with no mention of the whizzing ......, just the same description stating it's a raw MS 66 coin .
As I said , maybe it got put back up by mistake .........
as even a novice could immediately spot the trouble .
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<< <i>I did not claim it had a problem... >>
Yet you described the dealer as "disturbing"? What do you call dealers you *do* have a problem with?
you misunderstand ...........I did not claim the coin had a major problem ; I stated it as fact
.there's no grey area here ,
none what so ever
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<< <i>I did not claim it had a problem... >>
Yet you described the dealer as "disturbing"? What do you call dealers you *do* have a problem with?
you misunderstand ...........I did not claim the coin had a major problem ; I stated it as fact
.there's no grey area here ,
none what so ever >>
Certainly not a grey area. More of a yellow area.
<< <i>So post a link so we can all see what you're talking about. >>
all you got to do is p.m me and ask - the seller I see has over 3500 positive feedbacks ...........,
it may be that his returns automatically get put right back up .
He may be at a show or on vacation or such and has not had /made time to address the problem .
Let me give him the benifit of the doubt for a couple of days before he gets thrown to the sharks
<< <i>Let me give him the benifit of the doubt for a couple of days before he gets thrown to the sharks >>
Fair enough. So- why start the thread in the first place?
after I calmed down , I got more objective and realized it could be a innocent error on his part ............, we will see ehh ?
You bought a GEM coin on ebay from a photo and ...SHOCK..
it wasn't a GEM.
If the dealer is doing bad business, you should declare his identity.
is up to the individual poster and not an entitlement that needs to be critiqued or debated in the mind of each reader .
One of the great things about these boards is they provide a way to gather a tremendous amount of education - there are thousands of years of combined knowledge and experience represented here .
A few months back , I won a neat toned '54 Franklin from T.T . . In hand , pretty well hidden , was a patch of hairlines from whizzing that were the telltale signs of PVC removal .
Just as the coin that is the topic of this post , there were remaining specks of PVC in the concave pits on the TT coin .
Since this was a slabbed coin in a TPG holder , when I returned it with an explanation, the coin was not placed in a future auction . Credit is due to Teletrade for doing the right thing -
they could have just placed it into their next auction as it was already professionally graded .
The topic coin here was not slabbed , but was being touted as a MS 66 example that would " look great in a NGC or PCGS holder " and the buyer had 90 days in which to submit the coin
and make it so .
But unlike like the T.T coin , this coin was put right back up for auction when returned -
........if anyone reading this , (and presumably the entire thread ) can not see how I find this disturbing then maybe they should move on to another post .
I will say this for a third time : if you would like a link to the ebay auction and the identity of the seller , simply P.M me
disturbing dealer
<< <i>Both the obverse and the reverse of this Gem MS66 Franklin Half exhibit Blue, Red, Green and Gold Rainbow toning! As with all the Raw coins we offer the color is guaranteed original. This one would look great in either a NGC or PCGS holder. I will extend the return period for anyone who purchases this coin and has it Certified for up to 90 days or I can summit it to PCGS or NGC for you (fee's not included) >>
Seems foolish to say it's a 66, with his guarantee this one will be a waste of time for him and the buyers.
I'd guess it's mostly not being "on the ball" but it wastes the buyers time and he should pull it if he sees the problem mentioned.
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<< <i>Both the obverse and the reverse of this Gem MS66 Franklin Half exhibit Blue, Red, Green and Gold Rainbow toning! As with all the Raw coins we offer the color is guaranteed original. This one would look great in either a NGC or PCGS holder. I will extend the return period for anyone who purchases this coin and has it Certified for up to 90 days or I can summit it to PCGS or NGC for you (fee's not included) >>
Seems foolish to say it's a 66, with his guarantee this one will be a waste of time for him and the buyers.
I'd guess it's mostly not being "on the ball" but it wastes the buyers time and he should pull it if he sees the problem mentioned. >>
Though he doesn't guarantee it will grade, he's just begging for more negs if he continues to allude that it will by stating 'This one would look great in either a NGC or PCGS holder", and offering a 90 day 'extension' for said grading. Does anyone know if this this 'seller' (don't want to get bammed, or sued, by calling this seller what I'd like to) is a member? I bought a coin from him once, maybe almost 2 years ago, and the pic was juiced (used a different style of imaging back then)...the coin looked colorful, but in hand....almost brown. I did receive a prompt refund, though, and he did have good communication. It was a '61 or '62 Type B Washie, and upon relisting, he bumped the BIN, due to his discovering it was a Type B (perhaps due to reading this forum?). I KNOW he is AWARE of these forums for a FACT, but whether he lurks, or is a member, or even reads them, I don't know.
He wrote me and told me he was out of town and that he would have his "people" pull the auction ........
to tell me he was going to take it down , and then to not do it - makes it look even worse
I knew it would happen.