eBay rolls out its new program
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Your upfront cost of selling on eBay is about to be dramatically reduced once again!
Starting April 19, Standard Auction-style fees will be changing. You'll be able to list FREE at any start price--up to 50 items a month. Plus you can add the Buy It Now option FREE to grab those buyers who don't want to wait for your listing to end. In short, you can now list even your higher priced items free--pay only if it sells.
Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees.
That was in a new email today from eBay. Looks like they are distracting you with the 50 free listings and slipping in the new FVF on the "total" price of the transaction, including shipping charges.
Starting April 19, Standard Auction-style fees will be changing. You'll be able to list FREE at any start price--up to 50 items a month. Plus you can add the Buy It Now option FREE to grab those buyers who don't want to wait for your listing to end. In short, you can now list even your higher priced items free--pay only if it sells.
Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees.
That was in a new email today from eBay. Looks like they are distracting you with the 50 free listings and slipping in the new FVF on the "total" price of the transaction, including shipping charges.
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<< <i>Your upfront cost of selling on eBay is about to be dramatically reduced once again!
Starting April 19, Standard Auction-style fees will be changing. You'll be able to list FREE at any start price--up to 50 items a month. Plus you can add the Buy It Now option FREE to grab those buyers who don't want to wait for your listing to end. In short, you can now list even your higher priced items free--pay only if it sells.
Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees.
That was in a new email today from eBay. Looks like they are distracting you with the 50 free listings and slipping in the new FVF on the "total" price of the transaction, including shipping charges. >>
Can't wait to see how they handle combined shipping when the items vary greatly in price.
MY intial take: It helps the small sellers, who can just roll shipping into the initial price. I'm going to love not letting buyers touch my shipping stars.
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Total crap move on their part. A fee spun to look like a savings.
Simsbury Taverneers
My PSA Sets
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<< <i>How exactly does charging me a 9% FVF on my shipping costs drive me to reduce the shipping I charge buyers?
Total crap move on their part. A fee spun to look like a savings. >>
Not trying to say that they are being white knights here, but I suspect it might drive down the excessive shipping costs of some sellers. OTOH, since a lot of those guys are small frys, they might not even do the math and adjust their practices. I can argue either side of this one I guess.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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The biggest thing that this announcement does is make it a no brainer for every seller to offer free shipping and build the shipping cost into your item price. It's a wash final value fee wise and you get the automatic 5 stars on shipping costs.
Looks like my prices just went up.
- John Wooden
<< <i>I've been digging through these numbers too and I am not finding any savings anywhere for things I sell.
The biggest thing that this announcement does is make it a no brainer for every seller to offer free shipping and build the shipping cost into your item price. It's a wash final value fee wise and you get the automatic 5 stars on shipping costs.
Looks like my prices just went up.
Depends; didn't they drop the FVF from 11% to 9% on the first $50?
NOTE: I have no doubt it's an overall increase, but there may well be niches that still work.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees.
That was in a new email today from eBay. Looks like they are distracting you with the 50 free listings and slipping in the new FVF on the "total" price of the transaction, including shipping charges. >>
Morning,
In actuallity they have been pulling this one, off and on, for quite awhile now anyway. I keep track of the Paypal Transaction page on my Sales (I suspect most don't), at least half of my sales for at least a year now they have been adding the shipping into the total then accessing there fee. So for the most part it won't be much of a change for me.
Did you all read the fine Big print up front!
"The good news for you: Just keep your shipping charges low and upgrade to a Premium Store and, based on your recent selling activity, you will see little or no impact on your overall fees. Consider ways to further reduce your shipping charges, and your fees could even be lower than they are today.
With a Premium Store, you can list in Fixed Price for just 5¢ plus get the same discounted Insertion Fees for Auction-style."
Somebody explain the Premium Store again. I pay $50 a month right now, Is that the Premium Store, or are they talking about the $200 a month store??
Neil
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Also, we know online buyers pay attention to shipping costs when deciding what and where to buy. That's why, to encourage low-cost shipping, Final Value Fees for all sellers will be applied to the total amount of the sale, including shipping. Just keep your shipping costs low to get the lowest overall fees.
That was in a new email today from eBay. Looks like they are distracting you with the 50 free listings and slipping in the new FVF on the "total" price of the transaction, including shipping charges. >>
Morning,
In actuallity they have been pulling this one, off and on, for quite awhile now anyway. I keep track of the Paypal Transaction page on my Sales (I suspect most don't), at least half of my sales for at least a year now they have been adding the shipping into the total then accessing there fee. So for the most part it won't be much of a change for me.
Neil >>
Neil, all money that runs through Paypal is charged the Paypal fee. What's changing here is that now eBay is going to charge their fee on the shipping charges, too.
I think the biggest benefit is that I can throw up 50 cards a month now with a minimum acceptable starting price and not worry if they don't sell. The downside is I think it will result in a bunch of overpriced auctions making up the bulk of what's on eBay. There's very little quality being listed on eBay these days. At least for the stuff I collect. I did a search for 1967 PSA 9 baseball yesterday and came up with less than two dozen listings with the bulk of those being (OC) graded cards. You used to see dozens listed every week. Where is everyone selling their cards these days???
<< <i>So if I'm selling a $50 card assuming $3 shipping charge, how does the fully loaded fee structure change from before and now with the backend loaded fee structure? Am I paying more now?
I think the biggest benefit is that I can throw up 50 cards a month now with a minimum acceptable starting price and not worry if they don't sell. The downside is I think it will result in a bunch of overpriced auctions making up the bulk of what's on eBay. There's very little quality being listed on eBay these days. At least for the stuff I collect. I did a search for 1967 PSA 9 baseball yesterday and came up with less than two dozen listings with the bulk of those being (OC) graded cards. You used to see dozens listed every week. Where is everyone selling their cards these days??? >>
I guess it would depend on how many listings and what the opening price is before you could answer that question. Less than 50 auctions with higher starting prices it will not change anything, your listing fee savings will offset the fees. For the person listing many auctions at very low opening bids with low selling prices it will be a loss for them.
The people that try to make money on the shipping will just make an adjustment and try to make a little more money on the shipping.
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Neil, all money that runs through Paypal is charged the Paypal fee. What's changing here is that now eBay is going to charge their fee on the shipping charges, too. >>
Craig,
Your not understanding me, for a long time now, (At least a year), when I look up the Paypal transaction on say a $20 card sold with $3 shipping, at the top is says Sale Price $20 and below it somewhere the shipping is added After the PP FVF fee.
On at least half of the items I've sold it pulls this little scam, on a $20 cards sold with $3 shipping at the top it says Sale Price $23, then they assess their FVF under that, so they have already added the Shipping to the Sale price to get a few more penny's out of ya! Its sort of a moot point now, I was just pointing out they have been pulling this crap for along time, they are just making it official. I called them on this 6-8 months ago and after argueing with them they agreed that was what was happening, I was basically told tuff fudge...deal with it!!!
Neil
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Neil, all money that runs through Paypal is charged the Paypal fee. What's changing here is that now eBay is going to charge their fee on the shipping charges, too. >>
Craig,
Your not understanding me, for a long time now, (At least a year), when I look up the Paypal transaction on say a $20 card sold with $3 shipping, at the top is says Sale Price $20 and below it somewhere the shipping is added After the PP FVF fee.
On at least half of the items I've sold it pulls this little scam, on a $20 cards sold with $3 shipping at the top it says Sale Price $23, then they assess their FVF under that, so they have already added the Shipping to the Sale price to get a few more penny's out of ya! Its sort of a moot point now, I was just pointing out they have been pulling this crap for along time, they are just making it official. I called them on this 6-8 months ago and after argueing with them they agreed that was what was happening, I was basically told tuff fudge...deal with it!!!
Neil >>
That would mean you were actually getting a benefit from PP by them not charging full amount of the transaction on some of your sales. You keep stating you are looking on the PP transaction, this new fee structure is on your eBay invoicing and has no affect on your PP charges.
Total amount of the sale includes the cost of the item, shipping, and any other fees a seller may charge (for example engraving or gift wrapping), excluding any sales tax.
Looks like a of smart sellers are going to start charging sales tax to all 50 states.
Sellers who routinely use flat shipping rates can simply roll the price of shipping into the cost of the item and offer free shipping, since there is effectively no reason to keep the amounts separate. Sellers who offer a combined discount (think 4SC) will be able to offer free shipping on each individual card, and then manually enter a combined discount for multiple items, exactly the same as they do now. The only difference is the price of each card will be $3.50 (or more likely, $3.75 or $4.00, once they roll the extra 9% fee into the price to pass it along to the buyer) higher from the start. The second and third cards will each get a $2 shipping discount, and every additional card will get a $3 shipping discount. The seller account history is going to be even more of a mess, since I'm sure they will still continue to post FVF charges the moment a listing ends and then credit the appropriate percentage of any combined shipping discounts manually entered by the seller on the invoice sent to the buyer after the fact.
Sellers who like to use calculated shipping based on zip code will get screwed. The same 5-pound item being shipped Priority two towns over is going to cost a lot less than shipping it coast to coast. So that means I should be able to block bidders who aren't local. Like that would ever fly with feebay. They really have no idea what the repercussions of this change will do.
They're encouraging the sale of small, light items that weigh 13 ounces or less and can be shipped first class, and they're also encouraging the sale of highly dense items that are heavy, but don't take up a lot of space, and thus, can be sent using Priority flat rate boxes. It's easy to calculate flat rate shipping for such items.
Anything that weighs 14 to 48 ounces and would ship for under $7 Priority within a USPS shipping zone but would skyrocket to over $15 going coast to coast are going to disappear from ebay or just go in a flat rate box, meaning the shipping cost is going to dramatically increase for buyers in close proximity to the seller. Anything that weighs over 3 pounds and is too bulky to fit in a flat rate box is also going to disappear from ebay.
And when I say flat rate box, I really mean a medium flat rate box. The large flat rate box is so damn expensive already, plus adding the 9% surcharge to the price will make it ridiculous.
I only hope they figure out a way to integrate the regional flat rate boxes into the equation and start allowing sellers to offer more than 3 shipping options. That's the only way these changes might actually help ebay in the long run. I don't have enough experience using the regional flat rate boxes to know how they might be able to do that.
The people that try to make money on the shipping will just make an adjustment and try to make a little more money on the shipping. >>
And the reality for a lot of us is, we will play into what E-bay really wants in the big picture, get out of the Auction business and simply become an On-Line shopping center for fixed price.
They have already accomplished that with me, in the last 3-6 months I have basically quit running auctions for lots of reasons. I used to run 50-100 a week and now sometimes do 5-10 every other week or two maybe. Just doesn't make any sense anymore, BIN is where its at and driving as much business away from E-Bay/Paypal as I can. Last week did $500-$700 in E-Bay/Paypal Sales, $1500 in Off E-Bay Non Paypal deals!!!!
And fortunitly it is becoming quite prevelant with at least Collectible purchasers as well, I get as many Buyers contacting me to do Off E-bay deals as I attempt to steer Buyers with questions down that road!!!!
YeeHah
Neil
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Neil, all money that runs through Paypal is charged the Paypal fee. What's changing here is that now eBay is going to charge their fee on the shipping charges, too. >>
Craig,
Your not understanding me, for a long time now, (At least a year), when I look up the Paypal transaction on say a $20 card sold with $3 shipping, at the top is says Sale Price $20 and below it somewhere the shipping is added After the PP FVF fee.
On at least half of the items I've sold it pulls this little scam, on a $20 cards sold with $3 shipping at the top it says Sale Price $23, then they assess their FVF under that, so they have already added the Shipping to the Sale price to get a few more penny's out of ya! Its sort of a moot point now, I was just pointing out they have been pulling this crap for along time, they are just making it official. I called them on this 6-8 months ago and after argueing with them they agreed that was what was happening, I was basically told tuff fudge...deal with it!!!
Neil >>
That would mean you were actually getting a benefit from PP by them not charging full amount of the transaction on some of your sales. You keep stating you are looking on the PP transaction, this new fee structure is on your eBay invoicing and has no affect on your PP charges. >>
AHA....he slaps him self in the forehead! Although I would argue that there is no difference between the two, its all one company. Anyway, so I am understanding that at least 1/2 of the time I am going to pay a Fee on the Shipping Twice...All of the time to E-Bay and about 1/2 the time that they do currently to PayPal!!
WooHoo...I'm happy as always!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeFrickinHah!!!!!
Neil
FVF cap has been raised from $50 to $100.
FVF discount for Top Rated Sellers does not apply to FVF's charged for shipping. No 20% discount on this new fee.
Simsbury Taverneers
My PSA Sets
Seems I have to rethink my ebay strategy once again.
I'm gonna be joining the ranks of the ebayers!
I've to 'thin the herd' - way too much stuff in closets that never see the light of day.
I've got A LOT to learn!
Thanks Feebay (NOT) u greedy pig. .
Sell an item for $2.49 + 2.50 S&H = .2988 FVF
After the change
Sell an item for $2.49 +2.50 S&H = .5489 FVF
I supposed I could raise the $2.49 to $2.69 - $2.79 or something like that to offset, but that's going to get annoying. I could go to free S&H across the board and just charge $4.99 per item, but then lose out on people who buy multiple items from me.
Every year, it's something new...
<< <i>I could go to free S&H across the board and just charge $4.99 per item, but then lose out on people who buy multiple items from me.
Every year, it's something new... >>
And this is the biggest problem they don't yet realize they're going to have. They may think their new shopping cart system is going to counteract this, but I seriously doubt it.
Offering free shipping removes ALL incentive for buyers to pull the trigger on adding multiple items to a single purchase.
<< <i>My costs now (before Paypal)
Sell an item for $2.49 + 2.50 S&H = .2988 FVF
After the change
Sell an item for $2.49 +2.50 S&H = .5489 FVF
I supposed I could raise the $2.49 to $2.69 - $2.79 or something like that to offset, but that's going to get annoying. I could go to free S&H across the board and just charge $4.99 per item, but then lose out on people who buy multiple items from me.
Every year, it's something new... >>
This is why I've been hesitant to list a ton of cheaper cards. It seems like every year their changes hurt the lower price ranges the most. For a $50 card with a $2.50 shipping charge, the added fee is negligible, especially if the FVF decreases (I haven't read all the changes yet). This fee change would really bother me if I were selling tons of $10 items that cost $10 to ship. That's gotta suck.
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Football
1973 Topps PSA 8+ (99.81%)
1976 Topps PSA 9+ (36.36%)
1977 Topps PSA 9+ (100%)
Baseball
1938 Goudey (56.25%)
1951 Topps Redbacks PSA 8 (100%)
1952 Bowman PSA 7+ (63.10%)
1953 Topps PSA 5+ (91.24%)
1973 Topps PSA 8+ (70.76%)
1985 Fleer PSA 10 (54.85%)
<< <i>Thank you sir (ebay), may I have another?
Dear Mr. stevek, have you seen "Deliverance?"
I thought so.
<< <i>I started to move to Grand Slam Bids to list items.. Fees are cheaper. >>
Has anyone actually sold anything on GSB? I would like to try them out, but I took a look a the completed listings (I think) and only saw a couple of cards with bids this year. I hope I'm just not looking at it correctly.
Thanks,
Britt
Allen & Ginter Cards
My Blog -- Ballcard Mania
<< <i>Maybe I should start a new thread for this question (didn't find it in search), but I'll post it here first. I saw on Brent and Becca's twitter that someone said that shipping for 1 oz bubble mailer is going to double sometime next month. Shipping a 1oz bubble mailer will cost $2.50 or something like that (I think 1 oz costs about $1.25 now). Any truth to this massive postage increase? >>
If that is true, is the government trying to destroy small internet businesses? Jesus Christ.
<< <i>Maybe I should start a new thread for this question (didn't find it in search), but I'll post it here first. I saw on Brent and Becca's twitter that someone said that shipping for 1 oz bubble mailer is going to double sometime next month. Shipping a 1oz bubble mailer will cost $2.50 or something like that (I think 1 oz costs about $1.25 now). Any truth to this massive postage increase? >>
Some postal rates are increasing along with some of the "services" sometime next month (stamps are staying the same at .44). I do not know exactly what that increase will be.
Edit to add; April 17 according to the USPS website, more info on the prices can be found there.
I would be glad to see all that nickel and dime stuff go bye bye so that the good stuff doesn't get lost in a sea of c r a p.
As of now, there is nothing to make truly rare or expensive items stand out from this sea of garbage on Ebay...it just gets lost.
Also, it seems all the headaches come from the buyers of $2-$15 dollar items.
<< <i>I would be glad to see all that nickel and dime stuff go bye bye so that the good stuff doesn't get lost in a sea of c r a p.
As of now, there is nothing to make truly rare or expensive items stand out from this sea of garbage on Ebay...it just gets lost.
Also, it seems all the headaches come from the buyers of $2-$15 dollar items. >>
Agree
As for ebay, yeah, this email was a bunch of BS. I understand that their trying to end the $2 card/$200 shipping technique, but good lord, paying 9% of shipping costs? There are enough whiny %#$% morons who complaing that $2.50 for shipping is too much now, well guess what, now that same amount is going to cost $2.75. If ebay would listen to the sellers and not the crybabies, it would be alot better. Sure the free listings are going to be nice as well as the free BINS, but since theyve done the free listings before and it proved to be nothing more than a crap listing magnet, nothing will change with that.
Its a shame because it used to be fun to sell on ebay, now ebay is run by idiots, cried to by bigger idiots (Waahhh, shipping cost too much, now my $300 card I got for $30 cost me $31 WAHHHHH) USPS is run by the same idiots. Bunch of Doofuses, slowly killing the economy and business, one idiot group at a time.
OUT
<< <i>Maybe I should start a new thread for this question (didn't find it in search), but I'll post it here first. I saw on Brent and Becca's twitter that someone said that shipping for 1 oz bubble mailer is going to double sometime next month. Shipping a 1oz bubble mailer will cost $2.50 or something like that (I think 1 oz costs about $1.25 now). Any truth to this massive postage increase? >>
Afternoon,
The only thing I can find is several places that allude to the Non Machinable charge going from a Current .20 cent charge to a proposed .50 cent charge.
If so, on top of E-bay getting a cut of my Shipping charge and the Post Office raising the Non Machinable rate, for the first time in over 5 years I WILL be raising my shipping rates. I already was at break even to losing a little on some, this is the tipping point. I ship 100% of my cards from a single Raw card to 5-6 Graded in a Non-Machinable First Class Bubble Mailer, due to me putting cardboard around the Card(S) in each and every package I send. This part will not change nor is it negotiable.
So when we quote a Small/Medium/Large Flat rate box in our listings that the Post Office charges $$$ for, we are now required to charge what to not lose money on the shipping!
E-Bay....Were Not Happy until your Not Happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeHah
Neil
Prices for other mailing services, including Standard Mail, Periodicals, Package Services, and Extra Services, also will change. Business mailers will see price increases in a variety of categories.
Summary of Percentage Changes by Product Category
Product
% Change
First-Class Mail
Single-piece Letters & Cards
0.5
Flats
5.3
Parcels
3.8
Presort Letters & Cards
1.8
International (Outbound and Inbound)
4.0
Standard Mail
Letters
1.8
Flats
0.8
Carrier Route Letters, Flats, and Parcels
1.4
High Density / Saturation Letters
0.6
High Density / Saturation Flats and Parcels
0.4
Parcels (NFM’s / Parcels)
11.3
Periodicals
Outside County
1.8
Inside County
1.1
This was taken from the USPS website.