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seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
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It is PCGS and was NGC non cleaned for sure.

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I had graded it higher IMHO

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  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62?
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    60
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    61
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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58 details...
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  • Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭✭
    66
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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    55 PCGS 62 NGC
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    PR63
  • machoponchomachoponcho Posts: 355 ✭✭✭
    AU50
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    No to all of the above!

    Barry - I wish it was a branch mint proof, how cool would that be?
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    45
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    50
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    53.
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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    from a low of XF45 to a high of MS66?

    That is a range.

    Aside from guessing the grade, what would you grade it?
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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>from a low of XF45 to a high of MS66?

    That is a range.

    Aside from guessing the grade, what would you grade it? >>



    How do you expect us to guess the grade if we don't GUESS the grade? image
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Without much knowledge about the coin I would grade it XF45. I only guessed 60 because that seems to be the rarest grade issued.

    So I grade it XF45.

    I am sure I got to be wrong but just have a feeling...
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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    AU59 Pcgs Was MS62 ngc
  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>AU59 Pcgs Was MS62 ngc >>



    What is up with the AU59 today? image
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with AU53 since, as Mr. Feld says, that has not been taken.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58 or a touch better.

    Traces of hidden luster in the devices. Poorly struck on head, foot, wreath, etc....but her right leg, drapery, and other central details don't show any obvious rubbing. I'd want more apparent luster before calling it MS61. A bit bright for my tastes. Might not be "officially tpg" cleaned but it's seen the big dipper more than once in its life.

    There are plenty of choice and gem uncs known for this particular date/mint. Slanted date, almost hidden "s" mint mark? Don't think a Philly version of this date could
    ever come this irregularly struck.

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    50


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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    comes in around AU56

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  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    MS-61. Dipped a few times in the past.
    There is no "AT" or "NT". We only have "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable.
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There are plenty of choice and gem uncs known for this particular date/mint. Slanted date, almost hidden "s" mint mark? Don't think a Philly version of this date could
    ever come this irregularly struck. >>



    Interesting, I can't see the S but it must be there. 1866-S F-101
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll go with AU53 since, as Mr. Feld says, that has not been taken.
    Lance. >>

    And I'll guess MS62, even though that grade IS already taken.image
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Overstrike on some South or Central American coin? MS60
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    1866-s fortin 101 MS63
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with 61PL.
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first impression was 63, don't know how all the little marks would count against this little gal.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,748 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Overstrike on some South or Central American coin? MS60 >>




    This would explain that crazy strike.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll go with 61PL. >>

    It's supposedly in a PCGS holder and they don't use the "PL" designation.image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,748 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Overstrike on some South or Central American coin? MS60 >>



    And it might be considered "hammered" on this basis. Perhaps they
    overlooked the little rub on the head and gave it a 67.

    It would be nice to get a higher angle photo.
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'll go with 61PL. >>

    It's supposedly in a PCGS holder and they don't use the "PL" designation.image >>



    Darn it, that shoots my guess all to heck.
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  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Did I guess it yet
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    Did I guess it yet >>




    Sorry, it's actually an AG3. Nice try though. image
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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭
    You forgot Genuine or is that a grade?

    Joe.
  • Bah1513Bah1513 Posts: 558
    63...weak strike or bad photography?
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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't know why, but the first grade to pop into my head was VF35, net graded for cleaning. Either that or MS61. I find it to be an exceptionally boring coin.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing really left to guess, and since you don't think anyone will get it, I'll say that while NGC graded it, PCGS called it tooled or damaged because the weak S was conspicuously too weak.
    John
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing really left to guess, and since you don't think anyone will get it, I'll say that while NGC graded it, PCGS called it tooled or damaged because the weak S was conspicuously too weak. >>



    How could it be tooled or damaged if that's the way the mint made it? One var. of 1871-s half dollar comes with the mint mark half gone as well due to overpolishing of the dies.

    The head can't be any more "rubbed" than her right arm and right leg/knee where no "plateauing" from wear is apparent. There are plenty of dates in this series that often come with no head details, such as the 42-0 and 65-s dimes. If this were a 65-s it would be a decently struck head. This 1866-s is actually deeply struck on the obverse from the base of the shield
    up to the clasp on Liberty's gown. No signs of wear in those areas.

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  • BaseballAbsBaseballAbs Posts: 2,621 ✭
    Spit it out Seateddime! What is it? My guess is that the first guess was right.
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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    The op is going for the fact that coin is an S mint. You can clearly see the die crack in the middle of liberty's figure. This is what is known as the weak S variety.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How could it be tooled or damaged if that's the way the mint made it? >>


    If someone takes a tool and tries to bash away what's left of the already-weak S. Mind you, I'm not insisting I'm right about the coin, merely reacting to the title of the thread.
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭


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    Did I guess it yet >>




    Sorry, it's actually an AG3. Nice try though. image >>



    yes!!!!
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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The op is going for the fact that coin is an S mint. You can clearly see the die crack in the middle of liberty's figure. This is what is known as the weak S variety. >>



    This is very common mistake made but point out on these and the Seated Boards over and over, I really hope that message gets out. I did once see a coin call "weak S" right on the holder, the seller kept trying to tell me there is no mint mark and it was an error on the holder. I fact you could not see an S with a 17X loop I had, not even a trace.

    I do have a coin one of the TPG's called mint mark removed (it's an original AU but not worth trying to explain - I still keep the coin in my Dansco)

    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can only wish that all the XF45's out there look like this and get offered to me for XF45 money. image
    You're right, I never would have gotten this one right.

    It's not unusual for the graders to grade a coin based solely on the areas that are weakly struck or polished away during die prep.
    Probably lightly cleaned as well and might have been lowered 5 or more points just for that.

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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    I WAS WRIGHT! Always go with your gut feeling. image
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I WAS WRIGHT! Always go with your gut feeling. image >>



    Which one, the 60 or the 45? image

    The 60 guess seems to take priority because you said the only reason you changed it was because you assumed the highest TPG grade for this date was a 60. There are 20+ pieces listed from 61 to 66 at PCGS/NGC. 60 is a long ways from the best grade. Highest at PCGS is a 65 with two 66's at NGC. An available enough date in choice to gem mint state.

    As seateddime suggested, this was a tough one to get just from a photo. The coin clearly has AU or AU+ details. The only question is whether the TPG was fooled by the odd strike or
    deducted points for lightly cleaned surfaces, the overall strike, the weak mint mark, or all of the above.

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