value help with 3 coins please

jfoot13

1) Great Britian 1787 shilling
2) Austria 1740 ( coin has a rounded bend like it was rolled off the press instead of struck )
3) Bavaria 1781 10 kreuzer

sorry to bother you guys but I only have the krause 1800 and later

thanks for any help
Ken

lordmarcovan

Ahh, yes. I saw these on the Testing Forum and figured you might be headed over here.

Nope- not Austria- you've got a Brit and two Bavarians, there. Don't feel bad- the double-headed eagle threw me for a minute, too. And the Madonna & Child on the other looks sort of like a Hungarian coin I have.

Prices are by my 4th Edition Krause, circa 2007.

#1- Great Britain, 1 shilling (you're sure it is a shilling and not a sixpence, right?), 1787, hearts in Hanoverian shield, KM607.2, .925 silver/.1790 oz. $13.00 F, $25.00 VF, $60.00 XF, $125.00 UNC. I'd call that one a Fine, by American standards, anyway.

#2- German States (Bavaria), 6 kreuzer, 1740, KM187, silver. Obverse: bust of Karl Albrecht right. Reverse: double headed eagle with crowned arms on breast. Vicariat issue. $20.00 VG, $40.00 F, $85.00 VF, $175.00 XF, unlisted in UNC. I would call yours G+ to VG, personally.

#3- German States (Bavaria), 10 kreuzer, 1781-A, KM255, silver. Obverse: bust of Karl Theodor right, in wreath. Reverse: Madonna and child on pedestal with value, flanked by branches. $25.00 F, $50.00 VF, $125.00 XF, $175.00 UNC. Congrats- you've got a slightly better date, I think. The 1781, 1782, and 1783 coins with the "A" (Amberg) mintmark are "key dates" of sorts, and the only ones of this type listed with mintmarks. All the rest of the "common" dates without mintmarks go for $20.00 F, $40.00 VF, $60.00 XF, and $150.00 UNC, by comparison. I'd call that coin Fine, I guess.

Disclaimer: I transcribed this information at !:00 AM after a long day, just before bedtime, so I'm not responsible for any errors.

*yawn*

JamesMurray

The British shilling will realise a decent price , i buy similar coins almost daily and would expect to pay in the ballpark of 30 to 40 pounds for that , in the $60 range,id consider that a good deal really although that one may be cleaned ?

lordmarcovan

True, Krause is sometimes off on stuff like that Brit, I guess.

I don't have my Spink catalog handy- it's on the bedroom shelf, and once I'm in there I ain't comin' out until morning.

Note that my grade guesstimates above did not take minor surface issues into account.

The shilling does look to have been cleaned but not so much that I'd turn up my nose at it, I reckon.

jfoot13

Thanks Rob

geeze I thought the shilling would have been worth more it's actually a pretty good looking coin..

and what are you doing up so late

jfoot13

I'm getting old and slow lol by the time I replyed there were 2 more posts listed thanks guys

JamesMurray

Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1787 — 13.00 25.00 60.00 150 —
1787 Without stops at
date
— 20.00 50.00 135 330 —
1787 Without stops on
obverse
— 175 450 1,000 2,250 —
1787 Without stop
above head
— 19.00 40.00 85.00 225 —


That info i lifted from the 2010 Krause , it would seem thats a coin worth looking twice at.

lordmarcovan

I think those prices are for the variety without the tiny hearts in the Hanoverian shield (the shield at 3:00 on the reverse)? I must confess that though I had heard all this "hearts-no hearts" terminology slung around before, I'd never really known what it meant until I squinted at the coin above and the pictures in Krause. It does look as though there are teeny-tiny hearts in the top right portion of that shield.

I've got a sixpence of this type that somebody gilded and holed- for a while I kept it with the gold coins on my trademark "Holey Gold Hat". I never checked it for hearts or no hearts.

JamesMurray

Good morning Lord M , at this point i'm unsure what we are seeing on Kens shilling , i see something on the background of the hanovarian shield but its not easy to say what.
Heres a pic of both.

lordmarcovan

Thank you for the better pictures to clarify. Boy, that second piece is a beauty.

jfoot13

actually they're both pretty nice

JamesMurray

Those dont belong to me , i should clarify that , i used them for reference and got them from my favorite and among the best coin reference sites

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