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1 1 17606822 NEAR MINT 7 1955 BOWMAN 184 WILLIE MAYS Card US
2 1 17606823 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1965 TOPPS 207 PETE ROSE Card US
3 1 17606824 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1967 TOPPS 475 JIM PALMER Card US
4 1 17606825 GOOD+ 2.5 1969 TOPPS 480 TOM SEAVER Card US
5 1 17606826 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 TOPPS 260 REGGIE JACKSON Card US


Overall pretty happy, but how did the Seaver happen. Below is a scan of the card immediately before sending it in...

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Since I do not have the cards in hand, I don't know what condition they are in now, but IF there was damage done in transit, how could it have been to only one of the 5? Not that I could prove it, but is there any precedent for cards damaged by PSA personnel, if that were even the case?

IMHO, for a card to grade out at a 2.5 it would have to look a whole lot worse on the front than this one does, regardless of what the back looks like (it looked fine but I didn't happen to scan it).

Thoughts???

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  • ShootyBabittShootyBabitt Posts: 970 ✭
    Possible slight pinhole somewhere with paper loss? It seems like a 2.5 with a card that looks like that would have paper loss on it.
  • ShootyBabittShootyBabitt Posts: 970 ✭
    BTW, nice Reggie rookie.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,790 ✭✭✭
    I am guessing there is a few hairline creases that you cant see?
    Nice Reggie rookie though did you happen to scan that one?
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  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    Nice job!
  • waxman2745waxman2745 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭
    I believe that a surface wrinkle automatically bumps it down to a 5, but not sure about how this is a 2.5.

    Also, I thought that a pinhole bumps it down to a 1.
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  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭✭
    Aside from the Rose and Seaver you did well. The Jackson 8 should make your day. I would just wait a few months and re-sub the Seaver card and see what happes. Any chance you can show a scan of the Rose card? Curious about that one. Thanks. Doug
  • gtgrad99gtgrad99 Posts: 237 ✭✭
    Here are scans of the Rose and the Reggie...

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    I was hoping for an 8 on the Rose, too.
  • DialjDialj Posts: 1,636 ✭✭
    Congratulations on the Jackson and Palmer. Trust me, I have had the same questions about a few I have sent in. This must have been a dump on Kaline day; I have never figured these two out.

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  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭✭
    I would try again on the Rose also, not sure about it getting a 8 though. Bottom corners may put it in the 6-7 range. Nice cards
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not an expert on the card sizes but I would grade the Rose a PSA 6.

    Thanks for sharing your results.
  • olb31olb31 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here are scans of the Rose and the Reggie...

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    I was hoping for an 8 on the Rose, too. >>



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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like staple holes under Tom's eye and on cheek.
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  • RookieWaxRookieWax Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Congratulations on the Jackson and Palmer. Trust me, I have had the same questions about a few I have sent in. This must have been a dump on Kaline day; I have never figured these two out.

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    It's because Kaline was a Tiger....Tigers get screwed in every way, especially for HOF voting. Trammell and Whitaker should be in, yet they get almost no votes??
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    maybe they saw the huge stain on his face...
  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    Rose is an easy 7 if they grade it next time.
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>maybe they saw the huge stain on his face... >>



    I think that's just part of the card... PSA 8
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I physically abused myself when I saw the grade pop on this one, I thought outside shot at 8.5, almost impossible in any grade to find, color and clarity unmatched on most in my set of 5/6 NOW there is a tiny crease on the back, I swear wasnt there, but since it is not really all that visible, chalking it up to my error, one of the nicest 3's on the planet..and if they had graded cards on Mars, it would be better than those too


    edited- I have been very very displeased with grades in the last 3 subs I have sent, no rhyme or reason

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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Looks like staple holes under Tom's eye and on cheek. >>


    Great eyes Mike! And if those ARE staple holes, are there also two more ... one above the "v" of his shirt and the other at the top part of his throat?
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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do agree they simply don't like Kaline.

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  • pclpadspclpads Posts: 457 ✭✭
    Congratulations! You've just been initiated into the PSA WTF Club!
  • captainthreeputtcaptainthreeputt Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    There is no way to know if PSA did something, but most of the time we just miss a slight crease or a minute paper loss that they have better equipment to see. It happens to all of us, and yes, welcome to the WTF club!!!
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    That Jackson looks like alot of tilt for it being an '8'. Is that normal for '8's to have that much tilt?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    i've seen much worse than that in an 8 holder....that's a good looking Reggie, the scan shows every detail pretty well and it looks like it has a great surface and solid corners.
  • waxman2745waxman2745 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I do agree they simply don't like Kaline.

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    That's a great looking Kaline! Great centering! Crack it open and free him from that PSA 4 home!!
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  • neilkneelsneilkneels Posts: 52
    I had a HTF moment when I was wandering how that Reggie scored on 8.



  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't get the Seaver grade either, but Congrats on Reggie and Palmer...

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  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>That Jackson looks like alot of tilt for it being an '8'. Is that normal for '8's to have that much tilt? >>



    I've seen a LOT worse tilts in 8 slabs. That tilt one isn't very off-putting at all IMO; it's a great Reggie RC.
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a pretty major tilt or diamond cut on that Seaver. Do you think that may have done it? Nice job on the rest!

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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>maybe they saw the huge stain on his face... >>



    I think that's just part of the card... PSA 8 >>



    i was kidding...
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>maybe they saw the huge stain on his face... >>



    I think that's just part of the card... PSA 8 >>



    i was kidding... >>



    It's pretty funny, but I've often wondered how PSA knows about those sort of things. There are so many cards where a PD is almost every card, or where something on the photo looks exactly like a PD; I always wonder how PSA gets those right. Maybe this is a case where they didn't, but I'm betting there is some surface damage that the OP just missed.
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>maybe they saw the huge stain on his face... >>



    I think that's just part of the card... PSA 8 >>



    i was kidding... >>



    It's pretty funny, but I've often wondered how PSA knows about those sort of things. There are so many cards where a PD is almost every card, or where something on the photo looks exactly like a PD; I always wonder how PSA gets those right. Maybe this is a case where they didn't, but I'm betting there is some surface damage that the OP just missed. >>



    Yeah, I've graded specific Panini stickers which all have the same printing marks and was dinged on the final grade when subbing as singles.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's a pretty major tilt or diamond cut on that Seaver. Do you think that may have done it? Nice job on the rest!

    image >>



    The tilt is very common for this Seaver card. If you ever come across an 8 that doesn't have a noticeable tilt, buy it!
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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    is that a tack hole on the top left corner!?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    It looks like the Seaver had a staple at one time....look below his eye and then his cheek.....
  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    Staple hole or tack hole is automatic 1...I think its paperloss like the back of the Jordan Bobby had in a PSA 8 case....Whatever happened to that card?
  • gtgrad99gtgrad99 Posts: 237 ✭✭


    << <i>There is no way to know if PSA did something, but most of the time we just miss a slight crease or a minute paper loss that they have better equipment to see. It happens to all of us, and yes, welcome to the WTF club!!! >>



    Mystery solved...

    Although I couldn't capture it on a scan, there were a few hairline creases running the entire length of the back of that card, but not visible at all on the front, at the level of the ump's chest protector. You have to turn the card at just the right angle in bright light to see it. Oh well...at least as a 2.5 this card is a 1/1!!!
  • natetrooknatetrook Posts: 613 ✭✭✭
    I think the game used pubic hair that you included with the Rose,
    must have pissed off the grader...


    :-)
  • gtgrad99gtgrad99 Posts: 237 ✭✭


    << <i>I think the game used pubic hair that you included with the Rose,
    must have pissed off the grader...


    :-) >>



    But it was authentic...it was taken out of Ray Fosse's catcher's mask after the '70 All Star game!
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