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CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
Take a look at an 1816 cent. (Could somebody please post one?)

Is Miss Liberty wearing a very subdued coronet, or just a headband with a prominent upper-left corner?

I know that later this design evolved into the Coronet Head cent, but did it really start out with a coronet?

TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.

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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Lampshade....
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Water Buffalo Lodge Hat! image
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  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Take a look at an 1816 cent. (Could somebody please post one?)

    Is Miss Liberty wearing a very subdued coronet, or just a headband with a prominent upper-left corner?

    I know that later this design evolved into the Coronet Head cent, but did it really start out with a coronet?

    TD >>



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    This Coronet or "Matron Head" design was in effect from 1816-1835. Not all 1835's were of this design. The "Matron Head" 1835's are referred to as the "Heads of 1834." The other 1835 designs are referred to as the "Heads of 1836."

    1835-1843 are what known as the "Transitional Cents." William Kneass refined the design. The neck is much thinner and less stocky.

    Hope this helps,

    Greg

    Hope this helps
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you for the picture.

    As you can see, there is hardly any peak to it, so is it a coronet, or just a perky headband???

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1835-1843 are what known as the "Transitional Cents." William Kneass refined the design. The neck is much thinner and less stocky. >>


    With a lot of help from C. Gobrecht for the later dates of that period, I might add image
    Assembling the major varieties by date of these transitional cents was my first major foray into large cents - matrons, coronets, boobies, sillies, petites, plain cords, beaded cords - I love em all!
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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's an 1817 with 15 stars

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another great picture! Thank you!

    And I repeat the question....is she wearing a coronet, as on the coins from the late 1830's to 1857, or just a headband inscribed LIBERTY, as on the Classic Head Cents of 1808-1814?

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's an 1817 with 15 stars

    image >>

    She's hot!
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rays - that N16 you posted is a beast - condition census piece, I assume.....I just hope to upgrade my VF someday (and that one took me long enough to acquire).
    Cap'n, I wish I had an answer for ya - in my opinion, she's sporting a stubby coronet.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a headband to me. Where are you going with this, Cap'n? Got a wager?
    Lance.

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  • FilamCoinsFilamCoins Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a headband to me. Where are you going with this, Cap'n? Got a wager?
    Lance.

    >>



    Was writing a story and needed to describe the design and took a hard look at it and said hmmmmm........
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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it's a headband, she has a mighty high forehead to hold it! I vote for a coronet.
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