<< <i>This thread needs pics! I think we need the same type coin blast white (with that deceptive appeal of fresh from the mint) and one with beautiful colors (lots of sulpher induced toning) side by side. Both can be beautiful and collectable! Let the viewer decide! >>
How about photos of tarnish and toning all on the same coin. Obverse=tarnish, Reverse=toning.
<< <i>How about photos of tarnish and toning all on the same coin. Obverse=tarnish, Reverse=toning. >>
Picture omitted to save bandwidth. Based on a 500X zoom, I'm going to say that coin is every bit a technical/condition gem. This is the issue I have with your distinctions, though. Assume, for example, those are both deemed "NT." You can't be suggesting we're to call that obverse "Natural Tarnish," while, that reverse, "Natural Toning." We need them both to be one or the other, right?
This market grading business is confusing enough, ya know.
PS: Again, let the record reflect, I don't mean anything derogatory by my use of the term, "tarnish," to describe both those conditions...
Lehigh96 - Great Example! I would say both the obverse and reverse are tarnished; however, the reverse has market toning!
As for RickO, his position is well known, his comments are humorous and he is well liked on this forum. Attacking him probably isn't too productive. I don't like tarnished or dipped coins... however, those are MY opinion. I'm not going to judge RickO or slam him for his opinion. I will however, debate our differences, but not at anyone else's expense to make myself feel better about my own opinion.
I wish more folks saw it like RickO. There would be lots less competition for the really nice tarnished stuff. I have white coins and tarnished coins. When I look thru a box containing both, I find that I spend a lot less time on the white ones. No matter how you turn/rotate em in the light, they always look the same.
I looked at a "toned" 1955 MS66FBL Franklin at the SLNA show... it looked like a Robin's egg. It had that speckled blue tarnish... err, I mean toning. I looked and I looked and I looked at the bell lines and literally could not see a third of the lines, no matter how hard I look with different loupes. HOW can a TPG grade a coin with this type (heavy) toning?
<< <i>Lehigh96 - Great Example! I would say both the obverse and reverse are tarnished; however, the reverse has market toning!
As for RickO, his position is well known, his comments are humorous and he is well liked on this forum. Attacking him probably isn't too productive. I don't like tarnished or dipped coins... however, those are MY opinion. I'm not going to judge RickO or slam him for his opinion. I will however, debate our differences, but not at anyone else's expense to make myself feel better about my own opinion. >>
Well-said. In fact, it has to be well-said, and it can't be otherwise. Why? Because I feel the same way.
When the word tarnish and coins come together in the same sentence, an unexperienced person is what comes to mind or some one that knows nothing about coins. I don't see either one as a positive or negative though. Experienced people tend to use the word toning way more than the word tarnish when refering to coins.
Tone and tarnish are similar but not chemically the same and can have different effects on metal. Tarnish is most used to describe silver oxidation; that is turning silver into silver oxide which is black. Tone can be used to describe tarnish but can also describe chemical reaction with other elements besides oxygen, such as sulphur which cause colors other than black, such as blues, reds and ambers. On a micro level it is damaging to the metal surface when active, but when the metal is removed from the source reactant, the process will stop and some people like the resulting discoloration. Some people don't.
Best regards, Dwayne F. Sessom Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
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<< <i>This thread needs pics! I think we need the same type coin blast white (with that deceptive appeal of fresh from the mint) and one with beautiful colors (lots of sulpher induced toning) side by side. Both can be beautiful and collectable! Let the viewer decide! >>
How about photos of tarnish and toning all on the same coin. Obverse=tarnish, Reverse=toning.
<< <i>How about photos of tarnish and toning all on the same coin. Obverse=tarnish, Reverse=toning. >>
Picture omitted to save bandwidth. Based on a 500X zoom, I'm going to say that coin is every bit a technical/condition gem. This is the issue I have with your distinctions, though. Assume, for example, those are both deemed "NT." You can't be suggesting we're to call that obverse "Natural Tarnish," while, that reverse, "Natural Toning." We need them both to be one or the other, right?
This market grading business is confusing enough, ya know.
PS: Again, let the record reflect, I don't mean anything derogatory by my use of the term, "tarnish," to describe both those conditions...
As for RickO, his position is well known, his comments are humorous and he is well liked on this forum. Attacking him probably isn't too productive. I don't like tarnished or dipped coins... however, those are MY opinion. I'm not going to judge RickO or slam him for his opinion. I will however, debate our differences, but not at anyone else's expense to make myself feel better about my own opinion.
back in the late 50s.
<< <i>Lehigh96 - Great Example! I would say both the obverse and reverse are tarnished; however, the reverse has market toning!
As for RickO, his position is well known, his comments are humorous and he is well liked on this forum. Attacking him probably isn't too productive. I don't like tarnished or dipped coins... however, those are MY opinion. I'm not going to judge RickO or slam him for his opinion. I will however, debate our differences, but not at anyone else's expense to make myself feel better about my own opinion. >>
Well-said. In fact, it has to be well-said, and it can't be otherwise. Why? Because I feel the same way.
Dwayne F. Sessom
Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
This one is Tarnish
This one is toned
These are twins just born different years
<< <i>Now that's a bunch of tarnish,you know there all ATd
Im pretty good ain't I