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1952 Topps Mantle PSA/DNA - Do you guys find this a little misleading?

frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I was doing some browsing and came across this 1952 Topps Mantle PSA/DNA. I noticed something that I think is a little misleading. See if you agree.

A blue flip ONLY authenticates the autograph, while a red flid (PSA/DNA) authenticates the card AND the signature. Why would the seller not want this card in a red flip? Usually, it doesn't matter, but with this iconic card, it makes all the difference in the world. This very well could be a counterfeit card with an authentic signature. Also, in a case of this magnitude, should PSA be clear by maybe noting this on the flip?

Shane

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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    I think it's funny that the auto is where the facsimile auto goes. Hopefully anyone with that kind of money would be smart enough to realize it's a reprint, thus realize it isn't worth 2% of that BIN.
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think it's funny that the auto is where the facsimile auto goes. Hopefully anyone with that kind of money would be smart enough to realize it's a reprint, thus realize it isn't worth 2% of that BIN. >>



    Just because the facsimile auto is not there doesn't mean it isn't real. From what I understand, you can take an eraser and erase the facsimile signature. There are several 52's out there that this has been done to. I wonder if you can erase the signature on a counterfeit?

    Shane

  • MuggymanMuggyman Posts: 688
    From: muggyman
    To: ksports1966
    Subject: Other: muggyman sent a message about 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE SIGNED ROOKIE PSA/DNA SLABBED #110572643413
    Sent Date: Feb-17-11 18:26:36 PST


    Dear ksports1966,

    and what would your answer be if i asked you if the card itself is real?

    thanks!

    - muggyman

    --------------

    Dear muggyman,

    Yes,
    It is real.

    - ksports1966
  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    I'm not to familiar with the details of the card but did someone just trace over the facsimile auto?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Shane

    Not sure if it's misleading, the flip does say:

    "Authentic auto"


    I'd have asked him if the card was original to 1952.

    Asking if it's real did not really address the issue. IMO

    Steve

    edited: Of course his description states it's from 1952.

    Not sure where the problem is here.
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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Shane

    Not sure if it's misleading, the flip does say:

    "Authentic auto"


    I'd have asked him if the card was original to 1952.

    Asking if it's real did not really address the issue. IMO

    Steve

    edited: Of course his description states it's from 1952.

    Not sure where the problem is here. >>



    The problem (in my opinion) is that someone might buy it and think they are getting an authenticated 1952 Topps Mantle when all they are getting is an authenticated signature. I am not saying it is a fake 52, but what I am saying is that a blue flip ONLY authenticates the auto and NOT the card.

    Shane

  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭
    I believe if it was a reprint, the flip would say 1952 Topps Reprint. Placing 1952 Topps at the top means that the card is also authentic. Of course it does not tell if the card is altered or not but obviously it is since the original sig was erased so Mantle could sign in that spot.
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe if it was a reprint, the flip would say 1952 Topps Reprint. Placing 1952 Topps at the top means that the card is also authentic. Of course it does not tell if the card is altered or not but obviously it is since the original sig was erased so Mantle could sign in that spot. >>




    I am thinking that if it was mine, it would be going in a red flip. That authenticates the card and the autograph.

    Shane

  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    Very common practice was to erase the signature on 1952 Topps cards and then get them signed by the player, very common practice in the 1970-80s for low grade cards.

    At least the clown that did this used a low grade card, a high grade card would lose much value if this was done.

    Mantles signatures are extremely common for the Era, and always will be. but on this card the signature may help the value (price is 5X too high though).

    It is useless to signed rookie card collectors, but may fit into a low grade signed 1952 set...

    a 1951 Bowman with a signature would sell better.
  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    Only thing misleading about it is the "rookie" part of the title, but I digress.... image

    I would imagine that it got slabbed by PSA/DNA rather than PSA due to the fact that PSA would have had to have labled it "Authentic - Altered" due to the erased front. Granted I wouldn't mind that, but others might.
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  • CrazyMind2017CrazyMind2017 Posts: 1,205 ✭
    Wasn't there a time when PSA first started slabbing signed cards that the red and blue flips were reversed in some cases compared to how they do it now? I vaguely remember reading it somewhere on this forum within the past couple weeks, but I don't remember if they were putting authenticated cards in blue flips or non-authenticated cards (with authenticated signatures) in red flips.

    If it was the former, then perhaps this card was actually authenticated as an original 1952 Topps Mantle at the time it was slabbed and actually should have a red flip based on the current protocol.

    EDIT to add - That cert. # doesn't come up in either online database. The entire thing could be fake... card, signature, and flip.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Shane I agree someone might buy something and think they are getting something else.


    Good for you.
  • csmtampacsmtampa Posts: 1,828 ✭
    I didn't read any of the posts, but I did see the card in question. It was VERY common for collectors in the "old" days to erase the facsimile "autographs" off of the 52 Topps cards and then get them signed. The card is legit, and the autograph is legit. Not a reprint at all. I was actually considering purchasing this card when I saw it on a website while looking at live pics of the National last year, but I felt the price they wanted was too high.
  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 762 ✭✭✭
    I think this card would be far better in a red flip but have to agree with the person that stated since PSA listed the card as 1952 Topps that is in a way authenticating the card. The card does have great centering.
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  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    This is a authentic 1952 topps Mantle..I saw it at the FCB show in Atlanta last weekend. The owner said there are only 17 rookie cards signed by Mantle and that someone had erased the original part of the card where the name was and had Mantle sign the card...Its not a reprint.
  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would think it is the real deal as far as the card is concerned as PSA did not list it as a 1952 Topps Reprint on the flip. To get it in a red label it would say authentic-altered. That may discourage some from buying it, but I don't think it is misleading as is. IMHO...

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  • CrazyMind2017CrazyMind2017 Posts: 1,205 ✭
    Why does the certification number on the flip not show up in the database?
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