I just received a removal request for a card that was stolen from my house.

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 1:20AM

How do I proceed?

RipublicaninMass · February 17, 2011 1:20AM

kind of glad to hear, hope they can track it down!

vladguerrero · February 17, 2011 1:22AM

i would contact PSA and the police who took the report...

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 1:28AM

please keep us informed as to what transpires...

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 1:35AM

No police report was filed. I had 3 different cable contractors come in a week span and later I noticed 5 cards missing worth a total of $600-700. I just scratched it off as a loss, lesson learned, but this recent development is kind of like salt on the wound.

I doubt PSA can/will do anything and without a police report I highly doubt I will ever see the card again.

vladguerrero · February 17, 2011 1:41AM

contact the guy that has it now and say you need info for a police report...

Sean1125 · February 17, 2011 1:47AM

<< contact the guy that has it now and say you need info for a police report... >>

I'm going to say the cable guy just knew a player name... and isn't actually a collector----

So the guy who bought it might care to assist with telling you who he bought it from.

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 1:49AM

<< doubt PSA can/will do anything and without a police report I highly doubt I will ever see the card again. >>

PSA needs to be made aware! Someone is attempting to add your stolen item! You have a breakthrough in the case!

jay0791 · February 17, 2011 2:29AM

No police report really hurts here. Now who is to say the card was yours.
I would contact the local police and see if you can stil file a report and ideas of what to do.

I would then contact PSA and explain the situation. try to have a complete list of what was taken so they can have that on record.

The person who is trying to register the card may have bought it from someone. In any case that is a breakthru if PSA can release the info and
they may need a police order to do that. Does anyone know.

Do you have a receipt for the card in question? If it was originally subbed by you ...psa has that on record.
If you purchased it in last several years on ebay or auction VCP probably has the info archived. If so it could prove you bought the card.
If so I can try to look it up on vcp for you.

Having it on a registry like the PSA set registry is a monster help. I use it for total inventory and always inc a picture.

MantleMarisFordBerra · February 17, 2011 2:41AM

I bet whoever contacted you isn't the person who actually stole the card, but probably bought ti from whoever stole the card. I wouldn't let on that the card was stolen right away, try to get more info out of the person who contacted you. You could say something like, "My records were deleted and I have no records of who I sold this card to, who did you buy it from?" and see i they give you the info. Then, with that info I'd contact the contractors who were in your home and just call up and ask to speak to "___" and see if that person works there. The rest is up to you my friend...

bking · February 17, 2011 3:04AM

<< I bet whoever contacted you isn't the person who actually stole the card, but probably bought ti from whoever stole the card. I wouldn't let on that the card was stolen right away, try to get more info out of the person who contacted you. You could say something like, "My records were deleted and I have no records of who I sold this card to, who did you buy it from?" and see i they give you the info. Then, with that info I'd contact the contractors who were in your home and just call up and ask to speak to "___" and see if that person works there. The rest is up to you my friend... >>

I would HIGHLY recommend starting with PSA before contacting the requestor. I'll bet they have been down this round before and can provide more "safe" info than we can. A simple misstep here (like contacting the requestor only to somehow alert the thief if they are one in the same or know each other) may ruin any chance you have here. Saying you can't remember who you sold it to, when the requestor might actually know it's hot, just screwed the pooch for you.

jeffcbay · February 17, 2011 3:09AM

<< I bet whoever contacted you isn't the person who actually stole the card, but probably bought ti from whoever stole the card. I wouldn't let on that the card was stolen right away, try to get more info out of the person who contacted you. You could say something like, "My records were deleted and I have no records of who I sold this card to, who did you buy it from?" and see i they give you the info. Then, with that info I'd contact the contractors who were in your home and just call up and ask to speak to "___" and see if that person works there. The rest is up to you my friend... >>

PSA is the one who sends the removal request, not the person who is trying to add the card. No personal info is given in the email.

KbKards · February 17, 2011 4:07AM

You posted about the theft here. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=787282&highlight_key=y

Check recent Ebay sales for the cards you lost. Contact your local police to see about filing a report.

Hey, already found it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260736071444

Same card pictured in your theft post.

Wow, also sold your Spahn. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260736063759

Some Wheaties active too.

schr1st · February 17, 2011 4:13AM

Same person sold the Spahn as well. The lack of a police report is going to make it very difficult to do much I would think.

ShootyBabitt · February 17, 2011 4:25AM

Did you also lose some Yogi Berra cards? MPappy6021977 Auctions

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 4:27AM

WOW!!!!

All of the cards he sold and currently has for sale are mine!

A very nice police woman just left my apartment and a police report has been filed! The statute of limitations is 2 years and I am well within that. I showed her the links and she told me to forward them to her and I should hear back from a detective.

PLEASE!!!!!!!! No one contact this seller.

Thanks for all your help kbkards

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 4:29AM

Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up!

MCMLVTopps · February 17, 2011 4:29AM

I would call Cosetta at PSA and ask for some guidance here. May well be they can provide more than ample info to the police who can then arrest this sorry POS. If it is indeed proven to be theft by a "cable guy", you may have a suit against the cable company as well. I certainly wouldn't just blow it off with "just give me my card back", these kind of people do not learn their lessons unless a serious threat or actual litgation takes place.

zep33 · February 17, 2011 4:30AM

WOW, great news!!

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 4:34AM

<< Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up! >>

It shouldn't be a big deal but could you please contact him back and tell him not to contact the seller about the issue.
Thanks

zep33 · February 17, 2011 4:43AM

<< Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up! >>

What were you expecting to accomplish by this?

BunchOBull · February 17, 2011 4:45AM

Sweet! I love when these things work out...I hope the bad guy gets snuggle time with Bubba.

handyman · February 17, 2011 4:47AM

Win the weaties cards, and pick them up in person

BunchOBull · February 17, 2011 4:47AM

<< 

<< Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up! >>

What were you expecting to accomplish by this? >>

It's no different than the arm chair detectives who like to contact oft-complained sellers to get "their side of the story." It's always been this place's largest downfall.

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 4:53AM

<< 

<< Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up! >>

What were you expecting to accomplish by this? >>

He was trying to help and I truly appreciate the effort. I myself was planning on contacting him and the seller but I decided not to.

Thank you again for all your help I will surely keep you posted when we snag this POS.

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 4:54AM

<< It's no different than the arm chair detectives who like to contact oft-complained sellers to get "their side of the story." It's always been this place's largest downfall. >>

WRONG! I am not an arm chair detective, and I did NOT contact the seller....I contacted the buyer who left him his first feedback, letting him know he bought stolen goods! My intentions were honorable, so get off your stinking soapbox....

zep33 · February 17, 2011 4:55AM

very, very stupid move to alert the buyer of a stolen card in the middle of an investigation

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 4:58AM

I was trying to help...if I could take it back I would.

jeffcbay · February 17, 2011 4:58AM

Wow... unreal. I would hit BIN on one of his current auctions so fast so I could make a visit. You definitely handled much better than I would have.

I'm gonna need some help eating my popcorn on this one...

BunchOBull · February 17, 2011 5:22AM

<< 

<< It's no different than the arm chair detectives who like to contact oft-complained sellers to get "their side of the story." It's always been this place's largest downfall. >>

WRONG! I am not an arm chair detective, and I did NOT contact the seller....I contacted the buyer who left him his first feedback, letting him know he bought stolen goods! My intentions were honorable, so get off your stinking soapbox.... >>

WRONG? All I know is that you have absolutely nothing to do with this issue and you felt the need to insert yourself into it. I don't think your intentions were bad, it's just the kind of involvement I expect from my 16 year old students.

As they say, sense ain't so common.

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 5:25AM

<< WRONG? All I know is that you have absolutely nothing to do with this issue and you felt the need to insert yourself into it. I don't think your intentions were bad, it's just the kind of involvement I expect from my 16 year old students. >>

I'm just trying to help....I don't see you doing anything but belittling somebody....real productive there......

miconelegacy · February 17, 2011 5:25AM

I really hope this works out for you and the good intention, that may alert the seller doesn't destroy this. Buy it now and pick up in person. Anyone know where the seller lives?

bking · February 17, 2011 5:29AM

<< 

<< Uh-oh...I didn't contact the seller, but I contacted the buyer who made the guy his first feedback....I hope I didn't mess you up! >>

It shouldn't be a big deal but could you please contact him back and tell him not to contact the seller about the issue.
Thanks >>

I'd contact the police again for guidance ASAP, as this buyer now has his OWN dilemma - how to stall paying without alerting the seller.

Note to self - if I "EVER" find myself in this sort of jam, I'm posting from the get-go that I'm seeking advice, not interference. Best intentions <> best result.

EDIT: Just re-read. No issue with stalling the payment, but this buyer probably needs to be contacted BY THE POLICE OR BY THE OP ONLY to prevent alarming the seller.

BunchOBull · February 17, 2011 5:30AM

<< I'm just trying to help....I don't see you doing anything but belittling somebody....real productive there...... >>

You're right. I'm not doing anything productive. My goal was to shame you into not doing something so silly in the future, but history should have told me it was a fruitless endeavor.

Touche Lady Fortune, touche. Thou doth make me the silly one.

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 5:30AM

Tyrone, PA

bking · February 17, 2011 5:34AM

<< Tyrone, PA >>

Again, this helps HOW exactly? Let the OP and the POLICE handle it.

bobbyw8469 · February 17, 2011 5:35AM

<< You're right. I'm not doing anything productive. My goal was to shame you into not doing something so silly in the future, but history should have told me it was a fruitless endeavor. >>

Whatever cuz.....have you offered to buy the card and give it to the OP?????? I have......

BunchOBull · February 17, 2011 5:44AM

No I haven't offered to do that because it would circumvent the bigger picture of alerting the authorities and having the culprit's actions handled by the legal system.

However, for about the same price as purchasing the card, I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. No big deal.

jfkheat · February 17, 2011 5:44AM

I would contact the police officer you are dealing with and talk about you or a friend buying the card he has listed and picking it up in person with a plain clothed officer there when you do.
James

smtjoy · February 17, 2011 5:45AM

If anything this thread shows the importance of filing a police report. Its a must to do as its the proof you will need if the cards ever resurface. Now if only the cards I had stolen last year would just show up on ebay.

bking · February 17, 2011 5:46AM

<< 

<< You're right. I'm not doing anything productive. My goal was to shame you into not doing something so silly in the future, but history should have told me it was a fruitless endeavor. >>

Whatever cuz.....have you offered to buy the card and give it to the OP?????? I have...... >>

Your heart is in the right place, without a doubt, but please take a minute and think a bit here. Even buying the card interjects you into a Police matter, and perhaps screws things up big-time for the OP. Not to mention putting MORE money in the seller's pocket.

I'm pretty sure that's all the other guy was trying to say. Put another way: he may not have been helping, but he wasn't hurting either.

stown · February 17, 2011 5:49AM

JHS - I'm sorry that happened to you and hope it all works out.

bobby - You can make whatever excuses or justifications that you want but what you did was wrong. Just accept it and move on.

hhmag70 · February 17, 2011 6:06AM

<< 

bobby - You can make whatever excuses or justifications that you want but what you did was wrong. Just accept it and move on. >>

We all know that will never happen.

Bigjohn69 · February 17, 2011 6:21AM

anyone who touches them cards is dealing with stolen stuff good intentions or not, let the poe poe do their thing,,,j

Reljac · February 17, 2011 6:34AM

keep us updated! I hoe this all works out for you!

really points to the importance of registering your cards with PSA and filing a police report if one is stolen!

diamondman · February 17, 2011 7:13AM

<< anyone who touches them cards is dealing with stolen stuff good intentions or not, let the poe poe do their thing,,,j >>

I agree. Let the police handle it, I feel sorry for the guy that bought the Warren Spahn , even though he had no idea, the card was stolen, he is now out 300.00 and the card as the police will demand it for evidence so it can later be returned to the rightful owner, and all the buyer will get is some piece of paper from the courts stating the thieves have to pay him back. LOL or at least this is how it works in Ohio , I still have that magic piece of paper when I wrote a check out for a 72 Ryan (80.00) and the Ryan ended up being stolen property still waiting for my money 13 years later. I was just glad police didn't attempt to charge me with receiving stolen property.

The seller might also be innocent, he might have bought these cards in good faith without the knowledge of them being stolen.

I know if I was the buyer of the Spahn and knew it was stolen (which he does now), I would be filing a Paypal claim as SNAD and demanding a refund because if not the buyer (we2453) is out 300.00, or he will get a piece of paper from the courts.

All I can say to the original owner is I hope you get all your cards back and thieves go to jail, of course if you do get your cards back it will probably be 6 to 12 months depending on how long it takes to close the investigation & court case/cases, depending on how many people get charged if any. Good luck and hopefully score 1 for the good guys. jmho

diamondman · February 17, 2011 7:30AM

JHS5120: just some food for thought it might be wise to throw a 10.00 bid on Yogi, because if memory serves me right this will take away the BIN and cause the auction to run it's full 10 days, I would probably ask the police for advise first or just hope no one hits the buy it now option.

Stone193 · February 17, 2011 7:30AM

Wow.

I hope you get your stuff back!

divecchia · February 17, 2011 7:37AM

Sounds like things may work for you and you will eventually get your stuff back.

Wishing you the best with it...

Donato

JHS5120 · February 17, 2011 7:51AM

Hi everyone,
Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I think this may be an open and shut case. I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. Also, the buyer of the Spahn card contacted me (thanks to bobbyw8469) and he was very apologetic and we are working together to get this sorted out. I received a message from the officer I spoke to telling me that she has a possible suspect who was one of the people who entered my apartment that week (she did not provide a name). I will give her a call back sharing some of the information I was able to obtain to compare notes.

The only issue now is to prove I once owned these cards. It shouldn't be too difficult since 3 of them I subbed myself and the Spahn I (somewhat publicly) traded for with Elemenopeo.

I will be sure to keep you guys posted with any updates, as of right now though, please keep from vigilante efforts. Do not contact the seller and do not buy or bid on any of my cards.

zep33 · February 17, 2011 7:57AM

I'm glad to hear what Bobby did ended up not being hurtful to the case and was able to get back in touch with the buyer before the paypal claim started and the seller was alerted

I just received a removal request for a card that was stolen from my house.

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