Ok – I am taking the middle ground here. I can see both sides of the argument but lets consider the following scenario:
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions: 1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts
<< <i>Ok – I am taking the middle ground here. I can see both sides of the argument but lets consider the following scenario:
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions: 1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts >>
My two bits says that it would be okay to do just that. After all, the dies are cancelled and it would be very obvious that there is no intent to deceive the public or spend them. (These were made for collectors only as there were none released to circulation, right?). bob
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
The cancelled CC coins were taken by the treasury after some have been sold and/or raffled off. So if the 64-D's and the cancelled CC's were similar does that mean the 64-d's should also go the way of the treasury? >>
There are plenty who think the Treasury or Secret Service should confiscate them.
<< <i>Ok – I am taking the middle ground here. I can see both sides of the argument but lets consider the following scenario:
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions: 1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts >>
My two bits says that it would be okay to do just that. After all, the dies are cancelled and it would be very obvious that there is no intent to deceive the public or spend them. (These were made for collectors only as there were none released to circulation, right?). bob >>
They are cancelled dies and anything that comes off of them would be ok???
Since they are cancelled anyone can make a cancelled coin??? Would that be true too?
Here is a cancelled coin:
It wouldn't take much from someone to make a coin waffling/cancelling machine.
DCarr can now make a cancelling machine and churn out all the cancelled coins he wants? I don't think so.
Nor do I think he can use real ex-mint cancelled dies to turn out some "product."
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>You are being disingenuous. That piece was struck using cancelled dies, an oversize blank, no collar, and will fool no one. >>
Some would call it disingenuous. Some might attribute it to belated feelings of guilt. My cynicism leads me to conclude that it is some form of self-justificiation that might have gone over better if an alt had posted this.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
No real opinion on the Carr dollars. Kind of a neat quirky item. Probably could be seized due to the alteration of the date making them worth more than the common dates they are struck over. Technicality really but a valid legal argument. Do they harm the industry, no. do they help it, probably in some way as do the 09 proof eagles. Really not much different than the gallery mint copies but since its unissued its a different animal. Will probably be seized due to the above though imho.
The cc slugs are 100% legal since they are NOT the same size as the original coins. the cancelling of the dies has very little to do with the legality since THEORETICALLY a die or both dies could have massive breaks in an x pattern (unlikely but possible) and be a mint issue. Anyone remember the "Clinton arkansas" quarters? They were legal due to being a different size than real us quarters. Miniature 20 golds are legal. The only issue would be if the coins could be mistaken for out of collar cc coins struck on broken dies. If someones got the pocketbook to pay for it and is too stupid to not realize that a 2 oz coin is over 2x the weight of his other dollars, then god help em since someone else is going to take their money pretty quickly........
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
<< <i>No real opinion on the Carr dollars. Kind of a neat quirky item. Probably could be seized due to the alteration of the date making them worth more than the common dates they are struck over. Technicality really but a valid legal argument. Do they harm the industry, no. do they help it, probably in some way as do the 09 proof eagles. Really not much different than the gallery mint copies but since its unissued its a different animal. Will probably be seized due to the above though imho.
The cc slugs are 100% legal since they are NOT the same size as the original coins... >>
Size difference CAN be enough, it's true, but they have to be quite a bit larger or smaller, (you can't just make a fake 0.5% different in size, for example! (If I recall right, the % is specified in the Act.)
The D Carr pieces would only be in violation if they were altered to a collectible Peace Dollar date though, (like 1928, for example.) There were no 1964 US Dollar coins *issued*, and so they cannot BE a collectible.
HOWEVER, if the D Carr pieces were manufactured fresh from nickel blanks, instead of being *altered, genuine* coins, ....THEN they would be in violation of the HPA, since they'd be replicas, regardless of the date (the 'wrong date' alone, wouldn't be enough to prevent a *replica* from being in violation, any more than a fake $20 bill dated 1688 would help the counterfeiter.
It's the *combination* of the two facts that saves them from being in violation.
Altered coins are only in violation if they are of a collected date, (otherwise you were just 'engravure doodling' with a legal tender coin,) whereas same-size REPLICAS are ALWAYS in violation if not marked COPY, regardless of date.
For example, if you made a high-quality fake Seated Liberty Dollar from steel blanks, and put the date 1958 on it, it's STILL a violation if it doesn't say COPY, because it's a REPLICA to begin with, regardless of date, and not an altered, but genuine coin.
If you took a REAL Seated Liberty Dollar, and altered the date to 1958, you'd be fine. You could NOT though, alter that genuine Seated dollar to have a rare date, since you've then produced an item that mimics a real rarity.
HPA was crafted expressly to protect collectors from reproductions of *ACTUAL* collectibles, not of things that are not collectibles.
I'ts *essence* was made to "protect a hobby", not to "prevent manufacture", so to speak.
The D. Carr 64-D pieces are intriguing as they relate to the HPA, for several reasons, but in the final analysis, the HPA regs are specific, and because the pieces are *genuine* US coins that were altered, and not replicas OF genuine US coins, then unless that alteration made them mimic an actual extant collectible, they can't be said to be "copies".
(Anyway, with so little sleep, I sure hope I put all those in 'the right order', LOL! Sorry if I repeated any of it.) >>
I still think that the alteration to make them worth more than they originally were valued at makes them seizable. Otherwise its ok if I add a cc mintmark to an 1894 dollar. never issued so its ok right? But someone somewhere will misrepresent it. I dont think the carr dollars should be seized, but I think they very well might get targeted.
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
My understanding was these were not struck at the mint and were done in 1998-1999. At least the test strikes were done in CA where the die work and refurb was done.
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal? >>
Two things....
1st thing.....you must not be looking to make friends here, are you RRich2004? Whatever your opinion on the '64-D Peace overstrike is, FACT is alot of Mr. Carr's pieces are very well liked, very well received, sell for multiples of purchase price...as far as quality, he is a VERY good designer (good enough to have designed TWO statehood quarters, and more U.S. coinage should look as good as some of his pieces). I'm not saying EVERYTHING he makes is great, cool, etc...there are some of his pieces I dislike, but some I absolutely love....alot of forum members have bought ALOT of Mr. Carr's items.
2nd thing.....if you think Mr. Carr DIDN'T do impeccable homework, and found loopholes in the law, or whatever it was that led him to believe he COULD strike them without 'copy', then you need to read more threads before you pose a question like that. If the '64-D Peace overstrike was illegal, I'm sure Mr. Carr would NOT have struck them at all, as I doubt he'd want to strike something with 'copy' on it....and I'm sure that legal proceedings would have begun already.....it's been months since they hit the market. Get a grip.
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS: The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal? >>
Two things....
1st thing.....you must not be looking to make friends here, are you RRich2004? Whatever your opinion on the '64-D Peace overstrike is, FACT is alot of Mr. Carr's pieces are very well liked, very well received, sell for multiples of purchase price...as far as quality, he is a VERY good designer (good enough to have designed TWO statehood quarters, and more U.S. coinage should look as good as some of his pieces). I'm not saying EVERYTHING he makes is great, cool, etc...there are some of his pieces I dislike, but some I absolutely love....alot of forum members have bought ALOT of Mr. Carr's items.
2nd thing.....if you think Mr. Carr DIDN'T do impeccable homework, and found loopholes in the law, or whatever it was that led him to believe he COULD strike them without 'copy', then you need to read more threads before you pose a question like that. If the '64-D Peace overstrike was illegal, I'm sure Mr. Carr would NOT have struck them at all, as I doubt he'd want to strike something with 'copy' on it....and I'm sure that legal proceedings would have begun already.....it's been months since they hit the market. Get a grip. >>
I am entitled to my opinion of this garbage Danny has put into the market.
The fact that you, and a small minority of others, feel this junk is worth the extorted prices they're selling for on eBay only supports the fact the you need more education on numismatics.
As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships.
<< <i>As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Comments
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions:
1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts
<< <i>Ok – I am taking the middle ground here. I can see both sides of the argument but lets consider the following scenario:
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions:
1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts >>
My two bits says that it would be okay to do just that. After all, the dies are cancelled and it would be very obvious
that there is no intent to deceive the public or spend them. (These were made for collectors only as there were none
released to circulation, right?).
bob
<< <i>Part of me wonders why this comparison.
The cancelled CC coins were taken by the treasury after some have been sold and/or raffled off. So if the 64-D's and the cancelled CC's were similar does that mean the 64-d's should also go the way of the treasury? >>
There are plenty who think the Treasury or Secret Service should confiscate them.
<< <i>
<< <i>Ok – I am taking the middle ground here. I can see both sides of the argument but lets consider the following scenario:
I have an Olympic Proof cancelled die in my collection. What if I sent my obverse die to Daniel and then someone with a cancelled reverse Olympic Proof die sent that one to him too.
Then we go to ebay to find a blank commemorative silver planchet (NGC/PCGS certified) and sent that to Daniel as well.
Daniel then proceeds to strike that planchet with the obverse and reverse dies (in coin orientation – not medallic).
Questions:
1. Is it illegal to produce this “coin”?
2. Assuming I then sell this “coin” and properly disclose its provenance, have I done anything wrong?
Edit: - This is assuming a proper collar is used so that, aside from the cancellation, this "coin" is exactly as it its un-cancelled counterparts >>
My two bits says that it would be okay to do just that. After all, the dies are cancelled and it would be very obvious
that there is no intent to deceive the public or spend them. (These were made for collectors only as there were none
released to circulation, right?).
bob >>
They are cancelled dies and anything that comes off of them would be ok???
Since they are cancelled anyone can make a cancelled coin??? Would that be true too?
Here is a cancelled coin:
It wouldn't take much from someone to make a coin waffling/cancelling machine.
DCarr can now make a cancelling machine and churn out all the cancelled coins he wants? I don't think so.
Nor do I think he can use real ex-mint cancelled dies to turn out some "product."
...i must say i've never seen that VAM before
<< <i>You are being disingenuous. That piece was struck using cancelled dies, an oversize blank, no collar, and will fool no one. >>
Some would call it disingenuous. Some might attribute it to belated feelings of guilt. My cynicism leads me to conclude that it is some form of self-justificiation that might have gone over better if an alt had posted this.
The cc slugs are 100% legal since they are NOT the same size as the original coins. the cancelling of the dies has very little to do with the legality since THEORETICALLY a die or both dies could have massive breaks in an x pattern (unlikely but possible) and be a mint issue. Anyone remember the "Clinton arkansas" quarters? They were legal due to being a different size than real us quarters. Miniature 20 golds are legal. The only issue would be if the coins could be mistaken for out of collar cc coins struck on broken dies.
If someones got the pocketbook to pay for it and is too stupid to not realize that a 2 oz coin is over 2x the weight of his other dollars, then god help em since someone else is going to take their money pretty quickly........
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk.
<< <i>
<< <i>No real opinion on the Carr dollars. Kind of a neat quirky item. Probably could be seized due to the alteration of the date making them worth more than the common dates they are struck over. Technicality really but a valid legal argument. Do they harm the industry, no. do they help it, probably in some way as do the 09 proof eagles. Really not much different than the gallery mint copies but since its unissued its a different animal. Will probably be seized due to the above though imho.
The cc slugs are 100% legal since they are NOT the same size as the original coins... >>
Size difference CAN be enough, it's true, but they have to be quite a bit larger or smaller, (you can't just make a fake 0.5% different in size, for example! (If I recall right, the % is specified in the Act.)
The D Carr pieces would only be in violation if they were altered to a collectible Peace Dollar date though, (like 1928, for example.) There were no 1964 US Dollar coins *issued*, and so they cannot BE a collectible.
HOWEVER, if the D Carr pieces were manufactured fresh from nickel blanks, instead of being *altered, genuine* coins, ....THEN they would be in violation of the HPA, since they'd be replicas, regardless of the date (the 'wrong date' alone, wouldn't be enough to prevent a *replica* from being in violation, any more than a fake $20 bill dated 1688 would help the counterfeiter.
It's the *combination* of the two facts that saves them from being in violation.
Altered coins are only in violation if they are of a collected date, (otherwise you were just 'engravure doodling' with a legal tender coin,) whereas same-size REPLICAS are ALWAYS in violation if not marked COPY, regardless of date.
For example, if you made a high-quality fake Seated Liberty Dollar from steel blanks, and put the date 1958 on it, it's STILL a violation if it doesn't say COPY, because it's a REPLICA to begin with, regardless of date, and not an altered, but genuine coin.
If you took a REAL Seated Liberty Dollar, and altered the date to 1958, you'd be fine. You could NOT though, alter that genuine Seated dollar to have a rare date, since you've then produced an item that mimics a real rarity.
HPA was crafted expressly to protect collectors from reproductions of *ACTUAL* collectibles, not of things that are not collectibles.
I'ts *essence* was made to "protect a hobby", not to "prevent manufacture", so to speak.
The D. Carr 64-D pieces are intriguing as they relate to the HPA, for several reasons, but in the final analysis, the HPA regs are specific, and because the pieces are *genuine* US coins that were altered, and not replicas OF genuine US coins, then unless that alteration made them mimic an actual extant collectible, they can't be said to be "copies".
(Anyway, with so little sleep, I sure hope I put all those in 'the right order', LOL! Sorry if I repeated any of it.) >>
I still think that the alteration to make them worth more than they originally were valued at makes them seizable. Otherwise its ok if I add a cc mintmark to an 1894 dollar. never issued so its ok right? But someone somewhere will misrepresent it. I dont think the carr dollars should be seized, but I think they very well might get targeted.
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
My understanding was these were not struck at the mint and were done in 1998-1999. At least the test strikes were done in CA where the die work and refurb was done.
<< <i>
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal? >>
Two things....
1st thing.....you must not be looking to make friends here, are you RRich2004? Whatever your opinion on the '64-D Peace overstrike is, FACT is alot of Mr. Carr's pieces are very well liked, very well received, sell for multiples of purchase price...as far as quality, he is a VERY good designer (good enough to have designed TWO statehood quarters, and more U.S. coinage should look as good as some of his pieces). I'm not saying EVERYTHING he makes is great, cool, etc...there are some of his pieces I dislike, but some I absolutely love....alot of forum members have bought ALOT of Mr. Carr's items.
2nd thing.....if you think Mr. Carr DIDN'T do impeccable homework, and found loopholes in the law, or whatever it was that led him to believe he COULD strike them without 'copy', then you need to read more threads before you pose a question like that. If the '64-D Peace overstrike was illegal, I'm sure Mr. Carr would NOT have struck them at all, as I doubt he'd want to strike something with 'copy' on it....and I'm sure that legal proceedings would have begun already.....it's been months since they hit the market. Get a grip.
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<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>... or is it ?
This item was struck in the Carson City Mint circa 2005, using Carson City Mint dies, on anonymous non-monetary "silver disks" (as Capt' Henway would say). They are not marked "COPY".
The issuer (Nevada State Museum) has no legal authority to strike legal-tender coins. And yet this piece clearly says "United States of America" and "One Dollar" on it.
So, dislikers of the "1964-D" fantasy over-struck Peace dollars (and the similar test strikes on blank disks that were not released), do you hate this one too ?
PS:
The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal? >>
Two things....
1st thing.....you must not be looking to make friends here, are you RRich2004? Whatever your opinion on the '64-D Peace overstrike is, FACT is alot of Mr. Carr's pieces are very well liked, very well received, sell for multiples of purchase price...as far as quality, he is a VERY good designer (good enough to have designed TWO statehood quarters, and more U.S. coinage should look as good as some of his pieces). I'm not saying EVERYTHING he makes is great, cool, etc...there are some of his pieces I dislike, but some I absolutely love....alot of forum members have bought ALOT of Mr. Carr's items.
2nd thing.....if you think Mr. Carr DIDN'T do impeccable homework, and found loopholes in the law, or whatever it was that led him to believe he COULD strike them without 'copy', then you need to read more threads before you pose a question like that. If the '64-D Peace overstrike was illegal, I'm sure Mr. Carr would NOT have struck them at all, as I doubt he'd want to strike something with 'copy' on it....and I'm sure that legal proceedings would have begun already.....it's been months since they hit the market. Get a grip. >>
I am entitled to my opinion of this garbage Danny has put into the market.
The fact that you, and a small minority of others, feel this junk is worth the extorted prices they're selling for on eBay only supports the fact the you need more education on numismatics.
As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships.
You don't like, oh well.
<< <i>As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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Actually it's not a hypothetical, it's a legal rule. It's what a reasonable person would assume to be true. >>
The problem is that there are so few reasonable coin collectors.
<< <i>Maybe I should stike some of my blank cent planchets with this .......
Do it!!! I'd be in for one! Lol
-Paul
<< <i>Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
<< <i>I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA. >>
<< <i>As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships. >>
<< <i>Well, the big X and no collar might raise a red flag
REAL ugly
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<< <i>Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
<< <i>I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA. >>
<< <i>As far as friends go, I'm not here for friendships. >>
Am I supposed to be all broken hearted now because the "great" Danny Carr thinks I'm lame?
Not even in the zip code of broken hearted!
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<< <i>.The piece shown above has medal-turn orientation (180 degrees from normal Morgan Dollar orientation). >>
Many people commit the crime of murder everyday in this country, does that make it legal for you to do?
Same thing with your junk. >>
You didn't answer the question.
And what is your legal background that gives you standing to claim that what I made was illegal ? >>
I never claimed your junk was illegal, only in need of proper marking as per the HPA.
What is your legal background to claim your junk is NOT illegal? >>
Next stop, The People's Court
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<< <i>Well, the big X and no collar might raise a red flag
REAL ugly >>
If I were have the impressions authenticated as coming from an ex-mint dies, it would turn up as real in that instance.
forgot to mention +1
and "in before the lock" or "poof"