Ranking current hockey players...

artistlost · February 15, 2011 2:25AM

I am going to be getting rid of a couple of my cards and wanted help from the hockey people on the boards about who they would keep and who they would get ride of.

I am looking for players who look primed for a long great HOF type career.

Any thoughts are welcome so please rank away!

and the list in no order

1. Anze Kopitar
2. Nic Backstrom (washington)
3. Matt Duchene
4. John Tavares
5. Paul Stastny
6. Jeff Carter
7. Mike Richards
8. Claude Giroux
9. Ryan Getzlaf
10. Cory Perry
11. Jason Spezza
12. Alex Semin

Thanks!

mathew

artistlost · February 15, 2011 2:27AM

To follow up.

These are the players I have already decided to keep.

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Alex Ovechkin
3. Johnathan Toews
4. Patrick Kane
5. Steven Stamkos
6. Pavel Datsyuk
7. Henrik Zetterberg
8. Rick Nash
9. Ilya Kovalchuk
10. E. Malkin
11. Eric Staal
12. Zack Parise

mathew

Hallco · February 15, 2011 2:41AM

I agree with the 12 you are keeping....John Tavares has huge upside potential and seems to have collector's interest. Of the players you named, he might be worth keeping. Crap shoot on the rest. Nice players at this point, but who can predict things anymore in this day and age!

Good luck with your collection!

jimrad · February 15, 2011 3:07AM

Mathew

You better throw Logan Couture in there !

Boopotts · February 15, 2011 3:10AM

Get rid of all players born outside of N.America. Ovechkin 'might' be the exception, but even then I'm not convinced he's going to have any long-term hobby impact. The hockey card market is obviously driven by Canadian dollars, and Canadians (rightly or wrongly, I'm not looking for an argument) just don't sustain a collecting interest in foreign players- particularly after they retire.

CDsNuts · February 15, 2011 4:59AM

Get rid of all players born outside of N.America. Ovechkin 'might' be the exception, but even then I'm not convinced he's going to have any long-term hobby impact. The hockey card market is obviously driven by Canadian dollars, and Canadians (rightly or wrongly, I'm not looking for an argument) just don't sustain a collecting interest in foreign players- particularly after they retire.

Dude, what are you talking about? Federov, Jagr, Selanne and Bure have never been hotter.

vladguerrero · February 15, 2011 6:19AM

<< Get rid of all players born outside of N.America. Ovechkin 'might' be the exception, but even then I'm not convinced he's going to have any long-term hobby impact. The hockey card market is obviously driven by Canadian dollars, and Canadians (rightly or wrongly, I'm not looking for an argument) just don't sustain a collecting interest in foreign players- particularly after they retire.

Dude, what are you talking about? Federov, Jagr, Selanne and Bure have never been hotter. >>

Is that why you still stock OPC Premier on Ebay?

eyebone · February 15, 2011 6:22AM

boopotts makes the compelling point....again.

i would definitely be inclined to omit kovalchuk from your "keeper" list, and maybe malkin too. though the pens could win multiple cups if all goes well.

if it was me i would reduce that speculative list in a big way. carter, richards, getzlaf, perry and duchene (all canadian, btw) i like. the others, not so much. how about pk subban, ryan kesler, braden schenn (maybe).

eyebone

gameusedhoop · February 15, 2011 7:16AM

No goalie love?

48leafpsa · February 15, 2011 7:31AM

<< 
1. Anze Kopitar
2. Nic Backstrom (washington)
3. Matt Duchene
4. John Tavares
5. Paul Stastny
6. Jeff Carter
7. Mike Richards
8. Claude Giroux
9. Ryan Getzlaf
10. Cory Perry
11. Jason Spezza
12. Alex Semin

>>

wow, i have no idea who any of those guys are.

Nathaniel1960 · February 15, 2011 7:33AM

WTF, no Sergei Nemchinov?

Dboneesq · February 15, 2011 7:36AM

Man, I have not followed hockey in a long time ... and those names prove it. Out of the 24 names the OP had on his two lists, I only HEARD of 7. I probably could not tell you the teams that more than 2 or 3 of the guys play for!

taka · February 15, 2011 7:41AM

As a LA Kings fan, I think Kopitar is a very good player and could possibly be great if he had a nice winger to play with. I think Drew Doughty should be added to your list. He was the youngest player on Canada's Olympic team last year and was a finalist for the Norris Trophy last season too.

lanemyer85 · February 15, 2011 7:55AM

apparently not a fan of defensemen either....but I totally agree with Boo. I buy Marian Hossa cards, but they're for my personal collection and I realize that their value depreciates the second I click 'confirm payment'.

1A. Duchene
1B. Taveras
3. C. Perry
4. Giroux
5. Getzlaf (injury concern though)
6. Kesler (I'd place Kesler #3 on this list, but Canadians typically shun American born players...even if they're better than anyone else on this list...which he is).
7. J.Carter

I'd dump the rest, but I could see adding that floating stool sample - Mike Richards. Personally his style of play leads me to believe he'll fall apart before he gets close to HOF level (if you're talking investment opportunities) as eventually he's going to take a run at the wrong player one of these days and someone will bounce his head off the ice. Hopefully it will be David Booth's elbow.

TheHun · February 15, 2011 9:02AM

i'm thinking of selling all my hockey cards as well. Not because I dislike hockey (or hockey cards), but rather because there is too much product in all the sports (and too many teams) that have cards.

it is too hard to keep up with collecting even a limited scope - team, player, goalies etc.

I used to enjoy one set per year in the season - now the seasons overlap (some as many as 3 months).

Although I want to sell the basketball before the anything else, if the hockey price is right - I will sadly let it go.

Hallco · February 15, 2011 9:05AM

<< i'm thinking of selling all my hockey cards as well. Not because I dislike hockey (or hockey cards), but rather because there is too much product in all the sports (and too many teams) that have cards.

it is too hard to keep up with collecting even a limited scope - team, player, goalies etc.

I used to enjoy one set per year in the season - now the seasons overlap (some as many as 3 months).

Although I want to sell the basketball before the anything else, if the hockey price is right - I will sadly let it go. >>

I would be interested in any 70s and 80s hockey and 70s basketball if/when you start to offer them for sale! The OP will want some hockey too I would think!!!!

EagleEyeKid · February 15, 2011 10:27AM

Mathew,
I'm kinda doing the same thing you are and your list looks right on so far.
I think you're missing a few.

Marian Hossa (97 Donruss Preferred...best card): He just needs to keep it together and stop getting hurt LOL.

Marian Gaborik (2000 Titantium /99, but will settle for SP Authentic): Still young and I see 500+ goals easily.

Dany Heatley....well, you already know about this one.

Bobby Ryan is on my list.

illinifan912 · February 15, 2011 10:30AM

<< I agree with the 12 you are keeping....John Tavares has huge upside potential and seems to have collector's interest. Of the players you named, he might be worth keeping. Crap shoot on the rest. Nice players at this point, but who can predict things anymore in this day and age!

Good luck with your collection!

>>

if tavares is on this list then steve mason needs to be too.

nightcrawler · February 15, 2011 11:33AM

<< Get rid of all players born outside of N.America. Ovechkin 'might' be the exception, but even then I'm not convinced he's going to have any long-term hobby impact. The hockey card market is obviously driven by Canadian dollars, and Canadians (rightly or wrongly, I'm not looking for an argument) just don't sustain a collecting interest in foreign players- particularly after they retire. >>

That may be true, but maybe it's even worse than I that...

I can't even name a foriegn player who achieved true greatness in the sport.

Can anyone?

otwcards · February 15, 2011 11:34AM

Where's the love for New Jersey natives Bobby Ryan (I wish the Devs made a move for him instead of resigning Illya) and James van Riemsdyk?

MooseDog · February 15, 2011 12:04PM

<< I can't even name a foriegn player who achieved true greatness in the sport.
Can anyone? >>

Here's at least three.

Teemu Selanne and Jari Kurri (both from Finland) scored over 600 goals which puts them top 20 lifetime. Teemu has 623 as of today with an outside shot at top 10 if he plays next year.

Jaromir Jagr (Czech Republic) ended his NHL career #9 on the all-time points list.

jimrad · February 15, 2011 12:12PM

<< i'm thinking of selling all my hockey cards as well. Not because I dislike hockey (or hockey cards), but rather because there is too much product in all the sports (and too many teams) that have cards.

it is too hard to keep up with collecting even a limited scope - team, player, goalies etc.

I used to enjoy one set per year in the season - now the seasons overlap (some as many as 3 months).

Although I want to sell the basketball before the anything else, if the hockey price is right - I will sadly let it go. >>

If you decide to dump the hockey please send me back the PSA 9 1971 Yvan Cournoyer I sent you............just saying

nightcrawler · February 15, 2011 12:16PM

<< 

<< I can't even name a foriegn player who achieved true greatness in the sport.
Can anyone? >>

Here's at least three.

Teemu Selanne and Jari Kurri (both from Finland) scored over 600 goals which puts them top 20 lifetime. Teemu has 623 as of today with an outside shot at top 10 if he plays next year.

Jaromir Jagr (Czech Republic) ended his NHL career #9 on the all-time points list. >>

Well Selanne gets no love from me whatsoever. I'll always blame his big fat paycheck for essentially bankrupting the Winnipeg Jets.

I thought of Kurri and Jagr right away. But Consider other members on their teams equal in greatness, and their cards don't really sell for more. With the ecception of lemieux and Gretzky.

lanemyer85 · February 15, 2011 12:26PM

if tavares is on this list then steve mason needs to be too.

sadly I can't tell if you're joking...

Boopotts · February 15, 2011 12:36PM

<< 

<< Get rid of all players born outside of N.America. Ovechkin 'might' be the exception, but even then I'm not convinced he's going to have any long-term hobby impact. The hockey card market is obviously driven by Canadian dollars, and Canadians (rightly or wrongly, I'm not looking for an argument) just don't sustain a collecting interest in foreign players- particularly after they retire. >>

That may be true, but maybe it's even worse than I that...

I can't even name a foriegn player who achieved true greatness in the sport.

Can anyone? >>

That's a really good point, and I thought about that before I originally posted. The truth is that there are very few European players who have achieved legendary status upon retirement, and that certainly affects their hobby standing. However, there are many foreign players who, if they were born in Mississauga, would receive much more hobby attention than they do now.

A great example is Bure. Before the injuries he may have been the most exciting player to ever lace 'em up. If not, he has to be somewhere in the top 5 or 10. If he'd been a Canadian his cards would still be in demand despite the short career. Similar considerations apply to players like Larionov, Mogilny, Forsberg, Hasek, and probably even Marcus Naslund types.

e64mtd · February 15, 2011 1:25PM

You can safely add Stan Mikita to that list and likely Borje Salming as well as Peter Stastny. A 1960 Topps Mikita PSA 9 RC, 1974 Salming OPC PSA 9 RC or a 1981 Stastny OPC PSA 10 RC would go for big money.

The European stars of the 90s (Jagr/Forsberg/Federov, etc.) will never get hobby attention because of the mass production of cards during this period. Notably, there were very few European players in the NHL during the years of limited card production. The early 90s European mass migration to the NHL after the collapse of the Soviet Bloc actually correlates nicely with overproduction during the hockey card boom of the late 80s/early 90s. If Jagr/Federov/Forsberg et al played during the 60s/70s their subsequently low population cards would command a very high price premium in today's market imho.

lanemyer85 · February 15, 2011 5:45PM

Mikita is technically true as he was born in Slovakia, but his family immigrated to St. Catharines ONT when he was 7 or 8. So his case would be a bit different than someone like Kurri or Selanne. Forsberg and Selanne have pretty loyal fanbases from what I've found...at least in the US.

georgebailey2 · February 15, 2011 10:06PM

I, too, would add Doughty. He appears to be the Ray Bourque of this era.

I would go young with Statsny, Duchesne and Giroux as far as speculating.

While I agree in principle with Boopotts, hockey has been somewhat tainted by having certain players being head and shoulders above the rest - Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe and Bobby Hull. With regard to card values, most of the European stars started their careers after the inception of the Upper Deck era and its related overproduction. Taking that out of the equation, I would be curious if there was a material difference in the popularity of Jagr versus, say, Brett Hull?

TheHun · February 16, 2011 5:50AM

A good benchmark would be to know how many post 1990 hockey rookie cards have a $100 or greater value ? How many of those are produced after the 2005 strike ?

The NHL (and hockey in general) is a victim of its own greed / success. The Vancouver Olympics were great. However, the NHL official have already stated that the players may not be available for the next winter games.

I think this would be a big mistake as the NHL get limited exposure outside hockey nations. Places like Florida are often dead when it comes to hockey and its international appeal has receeded even in Canada.

I love the product put out by IN THE GAME even though its not licensed. Upper Deck screwed everyone - not just in hockey, but all sports.

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