Do you agree EBAY seller retouched photo

coastaljerseyguy

or at least used photos that hid a problem. Recently purchased a Morgan 1895 - O in NGC VF 25 with BIN option.
As seller had 3 close up photos, I thought I was getting a no problem coin. I get coin and there is a big scratch from under
Liberty's eye to the end of the leaf - you didn't need a loupe to see it. Seller had no mention of scratch in description and
also a no refund policy. I left Neutral feedback stating none of the photos had any appearance of a big scratch. Seller responds
that I need glasses and will be blocked, like I'm the bad guy.
What do you think. First 2 photos from seller .

SamByrd

a link to the auction would be helpful

Tdec1000

The coin did grade at NGC so is it market acceptable?

AUandAG

NGC graded? Not mentioned on slab? Auction link?

bob

llafoe

It could be the angle he snapped the photos. I'd be more concerned about the "L" in the cheek!

coastaljerseyguy

Not sure how to just add a hyperlink. Hope this helps

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260726831860&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Sonorandesertrat

<< <i>It could be the angle he snapped the photos. I'd be more concerned about the "L" in the cheek! >>

llafoe

Linkified

MsMorrisine

poor pics to begin with.

coastaljerseyguy

Although the "L" is deeper, it is the result of dentil hits and doesn't bother me as much as a scratch running 75% along the face.

Maybe market acceptable, but I would not have bid if disclosed in the photos.

SamByrd

the image did not represent the coin you received. I would do a pay pal claim on that basis. There is no mention of the large long distracting scratch that will lower the value of the coin in the market place. I can not see any sign of the scratch in the image. I think the angle and lighting hid the scratch.

coinguy1

<<Do you agree EBAY seller retouched photo>>

No.

ArizonaJack

<< <i>the image did not represent the coin you received. I would do a pay pal claim on that basis. There is no mention of the large long distracting scratch that will lower the value of the coin in the market place. I can not see any sign of the scratch in the image. I think the angle and lighting hid the scratch. >>

Constantine

I looked at the eBay link and cannot see the scratch at all from the photos provided by the seller. I can possibly see the slightest hint of a scratch but ONLY because you pointed it out for me to look at it. Yes, I can see the scratch very noticeably on your images. But your image is at the size of a dinner plate so of course it looks huge and is noticeable. How does it look in hand? Subtle, and like a fairly well Morgan would? Or does the scratch pop out badly? Once again, your pic and magnification is huge.

I would have been more concerned with the "L" shape on Liberty's cheek though in my opinion.

Barndog

doesn't appear to me that the seller messed with the images. Images are not ideal, that much is true. It's also likely that paypal would side with you, since they are pretty good at siding with buyers.

skier07

Open an "item not as described" with paypal. The image doesn't represent the coin sent to you. Paypal will side with you.

Even with a no return policy, IMHO, the seller has an obligation to provide an accurate photo and/or description which he hasn't done.

I also think you were a bit premature leaving feedback.

Bruce

cmerlo1

Usually, it works the opposite way for me- I get the pics out of the camera and there's a scratch showing in them that I never noticed before!

LindeDad

Looks like you gave him a neutral not a negative. If you wanted a better coin why not buy one it was graded and not by the seller.
And no I do not think his photos were retouched. Oh and in your second photo it is very hard to see even after you had said were it was.

coastaljerseyguy

Thanks SamByrd & others for advice regarding Paypal dispute. I'm tired of buying others problems. I love collecting Morgans but can't afford expensive coins. Realize I have to accept some compromise in grade, hits, etc, for the $$'s, and thought I found the right coin for my collection. Big disappointment.

I don't want to be the one stuck with finding the next sucker to buy. Will move on. Thanks for listening and advice. I may need to pay more attention to big hits on Liberty's check also.

Jim

GrumpyEd

I don't think he retouched the photos but he should have tried to get a photo that showed the scratch to avoid an unhappy buyer.

airplanenut

Scratch? Yes. Doctored photo? No. It's something that can easily be taken out with the lighting angle. Not that it's ethical to do so purposely, but sometimes such problems go away in a photo because of the how the lights happened to be angled, and it's certainly old given its color. I'm not saying the seller didn't try anything funny, but there's no proof he did. Did you email him and ask to return first, or simply leave feedback?

lkenefic

I don't think the seller "touched" the photos, but I don't think he went out of his way to show the scratch either. That said, the hit on the cheek would have been enough to keep me away from this piece.

L

lkeigwin

Even if the photos were honest, and shot from the most advantageous angle, it is the seller's responsibility to mention something like that scratch. I'm on your side and if I were you I'd pursue it.
Lance.

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messydesk

Gonna invoke Hanlon's Razor here, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Open a dispute, get your money back, return the coin, and move on.

Frankcoins

What part of NO RETURNS does the buyer not understand. It is a CERTIFIED coin...any problems should be taken up with the grading service, but I think the coin is acceptable as graded. Probably net graded -5 points.

lkeigwin

<< <i>I think the 'issue' needs the mention of NGC as well!

A scratch like that, in that area, deserves a "VF Details, Scratched", 'grade', IMO, NOT a regular cert tag.

They helped the guy sell a problem coin as a problem-free coin, IMO. >>

I bought a Lincoln once, with a scratch that was not evident from the DLRC photos. A 1917 MS66RD. Because it had extraordinary color and surfaces, save the scratch, I decided to keep it. But over time it ate at me.

I finally sent it back to PCGS. They took care of me through their guarantee, which made everything okay. But the coin was regraded a 65+, which surprised me.

Point is, a scratch like that can be overcome by market grading and does not necessarily require a BB.

Tastes are different. If you don't like it you should act soon.
Lance.

PinkFloyd

Bad lighting/low MP camera/small aperture camera?

dsessom

<< <i> no refund policy >>



No such thing when using Paypal. If you don't like it, guess what? You get your money back and the sellers Paypal account is debited - shipping cost and all.

AUandAG

No, it does not look doctored. The pics look actually better than most Ebay seller's pics but
they do not show that scratch. Yes, it should have been mentioned but it is an NGC graded
coin. Your problem should likely be with NGC but it does appear that the scratch was taken
into account in the grade. Looks VF30 to me, net 25.

Sorry it turned out this way, just put it back on Ebay and sell with proper description and I
doubt that you will be hurt much if any.

bob