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What do you think of this 1865 Seated Dollar?

RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
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1865 Seated Dollar on eBay

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "65" looks wrong. I do not know the series, but my guess is that a quick comparison to an image from CoinFacts will show this to be, at best, an altered date.

    image

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is a total fake (low-quality Chinese coutnerfeit).
    Moonlight Mint
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The ruler in the obverse photo has more value....might be an antique.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭
    Completely wrong. Not an altered date, just completely fake. Perhaps their manufacturing process has the 18 punched in and only the last two numbers have to be manually added - I've suspected this from past auctions as well.
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    "Item location: Hayward CA Toy Show Sun. 4/17/11, "

    clue enough. image
  • OchoRealesOchoReales Posts: 1,500 ✭
    What do YOU think about it Rich? image
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    c'fit................as in see fit to report and move on.
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Not even a good fake!
    image
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They finally weighed the coin and cancelled the auction.
    Jim

    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    It's nice to see someone do the right thing.
    Becky
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    only thing its missing is the CC mintmark, and for those of you that may be unaware, i have COMPLETE confidence that this was a loaded question. rich knows how to tell a fake from a real one.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>only thing its missing is the CC mintmark, and for those of you that may be unaware, i have COMPLETE confidence that this was a loaded question. rich knows how to tell a fake from a real one. >>

    I'm sure he does too. But, the way he phrased the question made it less unlikely that the replies would be biased.image
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I contacted the seller on the 10th, posted the thread today and then got a reply from the seller, who was quite polite by the way.

    After I showed him the pic of the genuine 1865 dollar and this thread, he weighed the coin, found it lightweight, and decided to pull the auction.

    I did know immediately when I saw the listing that the coin was counterfeit. But I post "what do you think of this coin" rather than "definite counterfeit" in case I need to show the seller what other informed numismatists think.

    Thanks for the responses!

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    im quite surprised that the responses, if this many people can tell a fake from a genuine, then why all the concern about the chinese fakes ? they are here to stay, the only defense you have (or need) is education.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>im quite surprised that the responses, if this many people can tell a fake from a genuine, then why all the concern about the chinese fakes ? they are here to stay, the only defense you have (or need) is education. >>

    A number of the Chinese counterfeits are considerably more deceptive than the coin in this thread. And there are countless collectors who are less informed than many of the ones who post here.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It depends on which "generation" of counterfeits we are talking about. The first generation is like the one in this thread, fairly easy to tell. When you get to the 4th generation, it is much more difficult to tell. And if the counterfeit is more difficult to tell, and it is in a counterfeit slab, it becomes very difficult for most collectors and many dealers to tell the difference, especially those collectors and dealers who don't have specialized knowledge of whatever series the coin is from.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not even a good fake! image
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    i guess that means people will eventually have to actually learn about what they are buying ? learn about more than just charts, figures and population reports ?
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • CertifiedGoldCoinsCertifiedGoldCoins Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭
    On Feb-13-11 at 12:25:24 PST, seller added the following information:

    Big discrepancy in weight. Only weighs .7 ounce on a postal scale where it should weigh almost an ounce. Ending auction now.
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