What's been your luck trying to crossover ANACS coins to PCGS and/or PCGS?

piecesofme · February 13, 2011 1:32AM

Just bought a small hoard of ANACS coins in all styles of their holders, about 90 coins. I'm considering cherry picking thru them with a friend who has more experience grading coins than me and submitting them for crossover to either of the the "Big 2".
What's been your luck in getting the same grade as an ANACS certified coin when resubmitting the coin into PCGS or NGC?
The reason I ask is because if the ones I have in mind actually cross, they're instantly worth significantly more just because of being in a PCGS/NGC holder and the fee for having done so becomes trivial.

DRUNNER · February 13, 2011 1:40AM

I did not attempt a 'crossover' but cracked 3 1st generation (alphanumeric) ANACS Lincoln keys and resubmitted to PCGS. I just wanted them in PCGS holders to match my Registry.

1909-S VDB -- ANACS 64RD to PCGS 64RD
1914-D -- ANACS VF35 to PCGS XF40
1922 'No D' Strong Reverse -- ANACS VF35 to PCGS XF40

I certainly believe in looking at the coin and considering your options. I had good luck on those keys.

Currently I have been purchasing a few ANACS alphanumeric common MS65 Morgans and cracking for submission. I am 6 for 7. Not really economically a windfall (I can make $10 or $20 after costs. It is just fun to try to keep my eye sharp.

Drunner
(Ravenous Doily Procurer to the Stars)

291fifth · February 13, 2011 1:45AM

There are plenty of nice coins in ANACS holders. In order to be successful in crossover situations you need to:

1. Know how to grade.

2. Know how to detect surface alterations.

3. Have an understanding of how PCGS views coins both in terms of grading and surfaces.

Moldnut · February 13, 2011 1:50AM

0 for 1 at NGC (cleaned) ANACS 1923-S 25c VF20

1 for 1 at PCGS same ANACS 1923-S 25c VF20 crossed at VF30

NumisOxide · February 13, 2011 1:53AM

Crossed an 1873 No Arrows, closed 3 Seated Half dollar from old white holder ANACS AU50 to PCGS AU50 once.

Batman23 · February 13, 2011 1:55AM

I have tried two of the old small holders, both as crossover.

The first was a MS67RD 1995 DDO cent that I bought back in 1995/1996? I think that the cent has a shot at 68 but PCGS crossed at the same grade.

The second was an AU50 1876 twenty cent piece with beautiful blue tone. PCGS gave it an XF45 grade. I later submitted it under a quarterly special and it came back in a secure plus holder as AU50.

drwstr123 · February 13, 2011 1:59AM

Sometimes peaches....sometimes pits.

WaterSport · February 13, 2011 2:01AM

Gee, this reminds we of the the treads of 6-7 years ago! For me those small white holders can go any way. Cross, up a grade, even up from R&B to RED, so have fun.

WS

DennisH · February 13, 2011 2:10AM

I've submitted at least 50 ANACS coins for crossover over the years. My seat-of-the-pants memory of the results are:

40% cross at the same grade
33% cross one grade lower
15% cross two grades lower
10% don't cross at all
2% cross at a higher grade (mostly very old ANACS holders whose serial numbers start with letters)

When coins have crossed at a lower grade I've probably resubmitted half of them for regrading and have had half of them go up one grade.

LanceNewmanOCC · February 13, 2011 2:26AM

my first and recent crossover attempt was with 3 canadian cents in anacs small holders - numeric

1923 - au50
1925 - ms61
1930 - ms63rb

came back
1923 - pcgs au50bn
1925 - dnc - crap ><
1930 - pcgs ms63rb

worked out for the good financially and educationally

may try to cross the 1925 to ngc since it has plenty of $$$ up for grabs

Teva · February 13, 2011 2:28AM

I have had good luck with old and new holders.
The ones I have submitted I purchased with the intent
to crossover. A good coin is a good coin it will cross if its worthy.

relicsncoins · February 13, 2011 2:43AM

All my attempts have been with coins with photo certificates (before slabs). I have had pretty good luck with everything except Morgans.

metalmeister · February 13, 2011 3:47AM

Luck with the old ANACS and PCI holders

Barndog · February 13, 2011 3:58AM

ANACS small white holders with alpha-numeric serial numbers that I have sent in have all crossed...granted that's maybe just half a dozen.

IrishMikey · February 13, 2011 4:03AM

My crossover rate has been pretty high (about 85%), but for these reasons:

1) I only purchase what I consider to be undergraded coins.
2) I take another good look at them in my study, under ideal conditions.
3) I always crack them out of their holders and submit them "raw" as part of a
larger order.
4) I submit them through a dealer friend that gives me his opinion before sending
them in. Ignoring his advice has produced several of my "misses."
5) When I really think I am right, I give it another try. My rate of success is close
to 100% on coins like this.

keyman64 · February 13, 2011 4:54AM

I have crossed 3 or 4 ANACS holders. ONE I got beat up on...it went from 64FB to 62FB. PCGS did not like the toning is my guess because there were NOT 62 styled nicks in that coin....by far!

I have crossed 2 from NGC with a very LUCKY 100% success rate.

mozin · February 13, 2011 7:22AM

I do not bother trying to cross to NGC; NGC coins are not worth much more than ANACS.

piecesofme · February 13, 2011 7:45AM

It sounds like the older the holder the better chance and stick with PCGS. I agree about ANACS and NGC are about the same. Maybe not on grading, but the value of what it's worth in their respective holder. At least that's been my experience.
We're gonna go thru these and only send what we both agree even stand a chance. Thanks for the help folks.

AnkurJ · February 13, 2011 7:50AM

Crossed 4 bust halves at the same grade to PCGS. 3 were old holders.
Crossed a proof barber dime recently at the same grade as well.

coinguy1 · February 13, 2011 7:50AM

Choose your crossover submissions, based on what your COINS look like, not on results that posters with other coins (that aren't the same ones you'll be submitting) have had.

CarlWohlforth · February 13, 2011 8:23AM

I crossed about a dozen Barber coins. I had a huge collection of low grade coins and sent all the keys in to ANACS. I sent all the ANACS coins that came back "No Problemo" to PCGS. All crossed at the same grade or 1 point higher. We are talking G, AG, VG, grades like that.

djdilliodon · February 13, 2011 11:04AM

The 2 most important things for successful crossovers is as follows. 1. You will have to know how to grade the coins you are submitting. 2. You will need to crack the coin out and send it raw.

AnkurJ · February 13, 2011 11:19AM

<< <i>The 2 most important things for successful crossovers is as follows. 1. You will have to know how to grade the coins you are submitting. 2. You will need to crack the coin out and send it raw. >>

I disagree with #2. If you dont want to chance getting a genuine holder, its better to leave the coin in the ANACS holder and put a minimum grade.

Shortgapbob · February 13, 2011 11:34AM

My last ANACS coins upgraded at PCGS......ANACS AU-58 to PCGS MS-62.

grote15 · February 13, 2011 11:37AM

I sent in a raw 1861 3CS piece that was in an ANACS AU58 holder (the new orange one) and it came back PCGS AU55, which I was happy about since I can't stand those new ANACS holders. The first generation white tablet holders were much nicer, IMO..

messydesk · February 13, 2011 12:13PM

My luck is pretty good if I choose the right coins.

Frankcoins · February 13, 2011 12:25PM

If the coins will eventually be sold in an auction with advance viewing, I would not spend money on new holders. The coins are worth what they are worth.

oreville · February 13, 2011 12:31PM

My success rate with crossing old ANACS slabbed to PCGS has been quite high.

djdilliodon · February 13, 2011 2:27PM

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<< <i>The 2 most important things for successful crossovers is as follows. 1. You will have to know how to grade the coins you are submitting. 2. You will need to crack the coin out and send it raw. >>

I disagree with #2. If you dont want to chance getting a genuine holder, its better to leave the coin in the ANACS holder and put a minimum grade. >>

That is why you need to learn number 1 first before you crack it

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LanceNewmanOCC · February 15, 2011 3:03PM

I've read a couple posts where someone tried to cross and the grade was lowered. (unless those statements were made about coins cracked and sent to a diff TPGS)

I am confused as I spoke with a representative at PCGS and was informed what I believed to be true, when using the crossover service if the coin doesn't meet the grade on the current holder, the coin is just sent back DNC.

They obviously have the minimum grade option but I did not use that since I was under the impression the beauty of crossover is the next three things:

1. you will not lose your current grade in the current holder if the coin does not cross (they don't crack it out to grade it apparently)
2. the coin will cross at the current grade
3. the coin will cross if the coin is upgraded

the 1925 MS61 that DNC came back in the original holder I submitted it in so at least I kept whatever value it will bring in the current holder, unless i decide to submit it somewhere else

What's been your luck trying to crossover ANACS coins to PCGS and/or PCGS?

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