love that vintage futbol - 1958 A&BC (Topps)
TheHun
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I can't help it when I find vintage pre-war cards - i gotta buy them.
I had to get these just for the classic poses. I know both players were historically significant, but I would have got them even if they weren't.
Dr. Zorner became a pioneer offical at FIFA. Rudi Hiden was the goalkeeper of Austria's Wonderteam of the 1930's. He is ranked # 26th on the all-time World Soccer list.
Dr. Karl Zorner - International player (1923-1924)
Rudi Hiden - International player (1928-1940)
I had to get these just for the classic poses. I know both players were historically significant, but I would have got them even if they weren't.
Dr. Zorner became a pioneer offical at FIFA. Rudi Hiden was the goalkeeper of Austria's Wonderteam of the 1930's. He is ranked # 26th on the all-time World Soccer list.
Dr. Karl Zorner - International player (1923-1924)
Rudi Hiden - International player (1928-1940)
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He played in 1934 and 1938 World Cups. He scored once in the '34 tournament and netted 3 in the 1938 games - a total of 4 world Cup goals. I've only seen this card once before so when it came up again, I had to pull the trigger (although the crease looks worse in the scan then in hand.) I may never get a chance for an upgrade.
International player (1927-1943) This is his rookie card from 1926.
Thanks for the bump. I will try to keep it up by adding more acquisitions. I purchased a few A&BC cards and added another super star in this 1969 BOBBY MOORE
I have two of these cards if anyone is interested.
I really like the Rudi Hiden...
Keep'em coming...Donato
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When Panini began making the soccer cards in 1962, it was just for the Italian market. Within a few years they expanded to other countries.
Some of the product therefore had different backs as licensing had to be done for each region. However, there have been reprints of many Panini World Cup sticker sets. The good news is they are very distiguishable - and cannot be passed off as original.
There were versions that had "Valida" but I will have to check for certain.
PM me with email address - send me scan of back - I'll verify for you.
cheers
edit:
if you have this back, it is legit.
This is my oldest South American player card - "Pamplona" - who played for Brazil in the first World Cup (1930).
Ironically, it is from the 1927 DOLAR Los Cigarrillos set from Argentina (not Brazil).
sample back:
There are two primary reasons why MLS ratings are in the tank:
1) Americans don't like soccer.
2) For reasons that I have not yet divined, the US has chosen to play soccer in the summer, which means US teams cannot participate in the winter transfer window OR participate in any of the large European tournaments (Champion's League, Europa League, etc).
Once American soccer gets its act together and starts playing from Sep-May there is going to be a rating boost. It's almost a guarantee. The ratings boost may not be in the US- at least, not at first-- but an overseas market for US soccer fixtures will begin to develop. Obviously this is going to take a while, but the US is so rich compared to other countries that at some point in the not-to-distant future the world of soccer is going to figure out a way to tap that vein, and that's going to mean changing the MLS season to the fall through spring. Once that happens, folks, look out-- because it will at that point only be a matter of time before soccer becomes one of the biggest sports in N. America.
We can argue this point, and believe me I understand why some of you might be skeptical, but in my opinion this is all but inevitable. Which means, amongst other things, that picking up cheap RC's and what-not of modern soccer stars is a very good idea right now. I would be very surprised if these cards ever become cheaper than they are right now, given their limited print run, and although it may drive you crazy to acknowledge this the fact is that the insulated world of US sports in all likelihood has a limited shelf life. If you want a good sports card investment, then get in on the ground floor of soccer cards (or, for that matter, of MMA cards). I don't think these are going anywhere but up. Once the US switches to a European schedule, and the US has a strong finish in the World Cup-- two things that will happen in our lifetime-- the sky is going to be the limit.
This may seem odd, given that MLS ratings are down, but overall soccer ratings for established leagues are UP. The Liverpool-Chelsea game on Fox Soccer broke the ratings record for a broadcast from that channel (a game on which I won $500, although I know that's not relevant here), and that record was subsequently broken by the City-United game where Rooney scored that sick overhead goal in the 71st minute. Incidentally, these games broke the record previously established by an Arsenal-Chelsea match that was held on 12/27/2010, More Americans ARE watching soccer now; they're just not watching the MLS. But that's going to change one the MLS become strong enough to field club teams that can compete on the international stage, and that WILL happen once we move to a Sep-May schedule.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Even if you cannot stand soccer, consider throwing $1k or so into soccer cards in the next few years. The odds are very good that this investment will pay off.
Anyways if you are fan of the game, you're going to watch the European leagues and Champions league competition. Watching MLS is like watching the NBA D-League or minor league baseball. There's nothing wrong with watching those, but the majority is going to want to follow the top leagues and see the game at the highest level.
All the top team sport athletes in the US want to play football, baseball, or basketball. So the MLS talent will never compare to South America or Europe where all they all want to play is soccer. Just imagine how dominant a 6-5 NFL wide receiver with blazing speed could be if he spend his time honing his skills on the pitch.
<< <i>Can't play soccer in the US Sept-May; there would be too much snow in the northern cities. England, Spain, France, Italy, and Germany don't get much snow so they can play during the winter.
Anyways if you are fan of the game, you're going to watch the European leagues and Champions league competition. Watching MLS is like watching the NBA D-League or minor league baseball. There's nothing wrong with watching those, but the majority is going to want to follow the top leagues and see the game at the highest level.
All the top team sport athletes in the US want to play football, baseball, or basketball. So the MLS talent will never compare to South America or Europe where all they all want to play is soccer. Just imagine how dominant a 6-5 NFL wide receiver with blazing speed could be if he spend his time honing his skills on the pitch. >>
I disagree. You absolutely can play soccer through the winter. In fact, the game was designed for that. You cannot play the game (or at least you cannot play it at the highest level) when it's 80 degrees out. You watch enough Bundesliga games, or EPL games, and you'll see plenty where there is snow on the pitch. The Bundesliga just takes January off- that might be an approach that MLS could consider.
And your right when you say that fans, as the situation currently stands, would rather watch Champion's League games then, say, MLS games. But eventually US club teams are going to have one hell of a lot of money to throw around, and at that point the pendulum shifts. During this last transfer window, for instance, Torres went to Chelsea for something like $80 million US. That seems like a hell of a lot of money until you consider that:
1) Torres is one of the top 5 strikers in the game.
2) 80 million will barely buy you a borderline All-Star outfielder in MLB. To put that deal in perspective, Jason Werth's deal was worth almost 150% of that. Now, it's true that the 80 million is only the transfer fee, and doesn't account for Torres' salary, but still- the point is that the dollar amounts that are considered 'obscene' in European soccer wouldn't even raise the eyebrow of the average US sports fan. This off-season Pujols will probably sign for 300 million- that number is simply inconceivable for a soccer player.
All of this is a way of arguing that the US is still a really, really rich country, we're total sports fanatics, and we will spend money on sports. At some point soccer finds a way to tap that. I think it happens when MLS goes to the Sep-May schedule and finds a way to sneak into Champion's league/ Europa league competition, but I could be wrong. We'll see. In any case, I really do think it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'.
1) The US has a rapidly growing Hispanic population.
2) Soccer already has a built-in gambling network (i.e., it's not hard to get down on a soccer game, which distinguishes it from other fringe sports like Arena Football or the WNBA).
Anyway, we'll see what happens. The next 20 years should be interesting. For my money, soccer is the greatest TV sport in the world, so I know my opinion is biased, but I'll be interested to see how things unfold going forward.
<< <i>Two other factors to consider:
1) The US has a rapidly growing Hispanic population.
2) Soccer already has a built-in gambling network (i.e., it's not hard to get down on a soccer game, which distinguishes it from other fringe sports like Arena Football or the WNBA).
Anyway, we'll see what happens. The next 20 years should be interesting. For my money, soccer is the greatest TV sport in the world, so I know my opinion is biased, but I'll be interested to see how things unfold going forward. >>
I am stunned. Stunned I say. Boo, you have to be the only diehard bowler who also knows and (furthermore) loves soccer.
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<< <i>Two other factors to consider:
1) The US has a rapidly growing Hispanic population.
2) Soccer already has a built-in gambling network (i.e., it's not hard to get down on a soccer game, which distinguishes it from other fringe sports like Arena Football or the WNBA).
Anyway, we'll see what happens. The next 20 years should be interesting. For my money, soccer is the greatest TV sport in the world, so I know my opinion is biased, but I'll be interested to see how things unfold going forward. >>
I am stunned. Stunned I say. Boo, you have to be the only diehard bowler who also knows and (furthermore) loves soccer. >>
Judging from some of the looks I get at the bowling alley when I try to start up a soccer-related discussion, Tom, I'd say I'm at least in a distinct minority.
Well, he and my Italian cousins.................GO INTER!!!
Steve
<< <i>Guy got me into soccer.
Well, he and my Italian cousins.................GO INTER!!!
Steve >>
Agreed. VIVA THE NERAZZURRI!
<< <i>For what it's worth-
There are two primary reasons why MLS ratings are in the tank:
1) Americans don't like soccer.
2) For reasons that I have not yet divined, the US has chosen to play soccer in the summer, which means US teams cannot participate in the winter transfer window OR participate in any of the large European tournaments (Champion's League, Europa League, etc).
Once American soccer gets its act together and starts playing from Sep-May there is going to be a rating boost. It's almost a guarantee. The ratings boost may not be in the US- at least, not at first-- but an overseas market for US soccer fixtures will begin to develop. Obviously this is going to take a while, but the US is so rich compared to other countries that at some point in the not-to-distant future the world of soccer is going to figure out a way to tap that vein, and that's going to mean changing the MLS season to the fall through spring. Once that happens, folks, look out-- because it will at that point only be a matter of time before soccer becomes one of the biggest sports in N. America.
We can argue this point, and believe me I understand why some of you might be skeptical, but in my opinion this is all but inevitable. Which means, amongst other things, that picking up cheap RC's and what-not of modern soccer stars is a very good idea right now. I would be very surprised if these cards ever become cheaper than they are right now, given their limited print run, and although it may drive you crazy to acknowledge this the fact is that the insulated world of US sports in all likelihood has a limited shelf life. If you want a good sports card investment, then get in on the ground floor of soccer cards (or, for that matter, of MMA cards). I don't think these are going anywhere but up. Once the US switches to a European schedule, and the US has a strong finish in the World Cup-- two things that will happen in our lifetime-- the sky is going to be the limit.
This may seem odd, given that MLS ratings are down, but overall soccer ratings for established leagues are UP. The Liverpool-Chelsea game on Fox Soccer broke the ratings record for a broadcast from that channel (a game on which I won $500, although I know that's not relevant here), and that record was subsequently broken by the City-United game where Rooney scored that sick overhead goal in the 71st minute. Incidentally, these games broke the record previously established by an Arsenal-Chelsea match that was held on 12/27/2010, More Americans ARE watching soccer now; they're just not watching the MLS. But that's going to change one the MLS become strong enough to field club teams that can compete on the international stage, and that WILL happen once we move to a Sep-May schedule.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Even if you cannot stand soccer, consider throwing $1k or so into soccer cards in the next few years. The odds are very good that this investment will pay off. >>
Interesting posts here - and I thank everyone for there input. I do, however, want to set the record on a few items:
1. Americans do like soccer. I am American, born and raised (had baseball, hockey and other sports growing up). But I grew up in a city that had NASL soccer - and got to see a list of the greatest players in the world every years ... Pele, Cruyff, Best, Moore, Eusebio and Beckenbauer - all played in the league. They were NOT past their prime, especially when you consider that Beckenbauer came the season after being MVP of all Europe and only 2 1/2 seasons after winning the World Cup.
2. The trasfer window applies world wide. There are two windows (one summer/ one winter) each season. MLS can buy or sell internationally during both - same rules apply as the rest of the world. Weather has always played a part in outdoor sporting events. It's just a matter of fan choice and the long seasons that now overlap in the USA.
3. Saying that soccer is the sport of the future is like saying computers will be in every American home - its already here. If you aren't up on it, your behind the world. Forbes magazine listed the richest sports franchises in the world - 16 of the top 20 were soccer clubs. Only the N.Y. Yankees and Dallas Cowboys were in there representing the USA.
4. Americans aren't the only ones following the Premier League or Champions League. The TV annual revenue world wide is about 200 billion dollars. It is important to understand that the USA is probably the most diverse sports nation on the planet. We have not one or two major sports but 5 or even 6 depending on how you define sport (that's a whole different discussion). Its not a surprise that the only sport that has 2 channels (24/7) dedicated to in in America is soccer. It must be making someone money !
7. Seattle Sounders are averaging over 35,000 after only two seasons in MLS. Philadelphia Union was around 20,000 in their 1st year. Vancouver and Portland are near selling out their season tickets before ever kicking an MLS ball. In the past 6 months, New England PATRIOTS, Dallas COWBOYS, New York METS and the San Diego PADRES have all explored acquiring an MLS franchise. Why ? Because the global potential of a soccer club is much more unlimited than some of the other sports markets. Try selling computer software or banking systems with NFL helmets outside America ?
8. If you look at the richest League in the world - The Premier League in England - the following clubs have American ownership:
ARSENAL
ASTON VILLA
LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED
EVERTON
Any more questions ? Let me know.
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I disagree. You absolutely can play soccer through the winter. In fact, the game was designed for that. You cannot play the game (or at least you cannot play it at the highest level) when it's 80 degrees out. You watch enough Bundesliga games, or EPL games, and you'll see plenty where there is snow on the pitch. The Bundesliga just takes January off- that might be an approach that MLS could consider.
>>
The EPL postponed several matches earlier this season due to snow. They were afraid of injury from frozen/icy pitch conditions. The ManU-Chelsea game got pushed to the spring time.
MLS has teams in New England, CO, and Chicago that would be threatened by unfavorable conditions all winter long. Northern Germany might get some snow, but England typically does not get much.
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I disagree. You absolutely can play soccer through the winter. In fact, the game was designed for that. You cannot play the game (or at least you cannot play it at the highest level) when it's 80 degrees out. You watch enough Bundesliga games, or EPL games, and you'll see plenty where there is snow on the pitch. The Bundesliga just takes January off- that might be an approach that MLS could consider.
>>
The EPL postponed several matches earlier this season due to snow. They were afraid of injury from frozen/icy pitch conditions. The ManU-Chelsea game got pushed to the spring time.
MLS has teams in New England, CO, and Chicago that would be threatened by unfavorable conditions all winter long. Northern Germany might get some snow, but England typically does not get much. >>
If I remember correctly the only game that was cancelled because of poor pitch conditions was a Blackpool home game, and that was because their pitch isn't heated. For all the other canceled games the reason cited (I think, I could be wrong) was poor road conditions (which, I agree, would certainly be a problem in areas like NY and Boston).
The Russian league-- which used to run in the summer, and is now 7th in the UEFA coefficients-- is switching to a Sep-May schedule next year (or the year after, I can't remember). If they can play soccer in Moscow in February they can play in New York. I'm not saying it won't be complicated, but if MLS is ever going to achieve any global recognition they're going to have to change the schedule around. I don't see how they can do it any other way.
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<< <i>For what it's worth-
There are two primary reasons why MLS ratings are in the tank:
1) Americans don't like soccer.
2) For reasons that I have not yet divined, the US has chosen to play soccer in the summer, which means US teams cannot participate in the winter transfer window OR participate in any of the large European tournaments (Champion's League, Europa League, etc).
Once American soccer gets its act together and starts playing from Sep-May there is going to be a rating boost. It's almost a guarantee. The ratings boost may not be in the US- at least, not at first-- but an overseas market for US soccer fixtures will begin to develop. Obviously this is going to take a while, but the US is so rich compared to other countries that at some point in the not-to-distant future the world of soccer is going to figure out a way to tap that vein, and that's going to mean changing the MLS season to the fall through spring. Once that happens, folks, look out-- because it will at that point only be a matter of time before soccer becomes one of the biggest sports in N. America.
We can argue this point, and believe me I understand why some of you might be skeptical, but in my opinion this is all but inevitable. Which means, amongst other things, that picking up cheap RC's and what-not of modern soccer stars is a very good idea right now. I would be very surprised if these cards ever become cheaper than they are right now, given their limited print run, and although it may drive you crazy to acknowledge this the fact is that the insulated world of US sports in all likelihood has a limited shelf life. If you want a good sports card investment, then get in on the ground floor of soccer cards (or, for that matter, of MMA cards). I don't think these are going anywhere but up. Once the US switches to a European schedule, and the US has a strong finish in the World Cup-- two things that will happen in our lifetime-- the sky is going to be the limit.
This may seem odd, given that MLS ratings are down, but overall soccer ratings for established leagues are UP. The Liverpool-Chelsea game on Fox Soccer broke the ratings record for a broadcast from that channel (a game on which I won $500, although I know that's not relevant here), and that record was subsequently broken by the City-United game where Rooney scored that sick overhead goal in the 71st minute. Incidentally, these games broke the record previously established by an Arsenal-Chelsea match that was held on 12/27/2010, More Americans ARE watching soccer now; they're just not watching the MLS. But that's going to change one the MLS become strong enough to field club teams that can compete on the international stage, and that WILL happen once we move to a Sep-May schedule.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Even if you cannot stand soccer, consider throwing $1k or so into soccer cards in the next few years. The odds are very good that this investment will pay off. >>
Interesting posts here - and I thank everyone for there input. I do, however, want to set the record on a few items:
1. Americans do like soccer. I am American, born and raised (had baseball, hockey and other sports growing up). But I grew up in a city that had NASL soccer - and got to see a list of the greatest players in the world every years ... Pele, Cruyff, Best, Moore, Eusebio and Beckenbauer - all played in the league. They were NOT past their prime, especially when you consider that Beckenbauer came the season after being MVP of all Europe and only 2 1/2 seasons after winning the World Cup.
2. The trasfer window applies world wide. There are two windows (one summer/ one winter) each season. MLS can buy or sell internationally during both - same rules apply as the rest of the world. Weather has always played a part in outdoor sporting events. It's just a matter of fan choice and the long seasons that now overlap in the USA.
3. Saying that soccer is the sport of the future is like saying computers will be in every American home - its already here. If you aren't up on it, your behind the world. Forbes magazine listed the richest sports franchises in the world - 16 of the top 20 were soccer clubs. Only the N.Y. Yankees and Dallas Cowboys were in there representing the USA.
4. Americans aren't the only ones following the Premier League or Champions League. The TV annual revenue world wide is about 200 billion dollars. It is important to understand that the USA is probably the most diverse sports nation on the planet. We have not one or two major sports but 5 or even 6 depending on how you define sport (that's a whole different discussion). Its not a surprise that the only sport that has 2 channels (24/7) dedicated to in in America is soccer. It must be making someone money !
7. Seattle Sounders are averaging over 35,000 after only two seasons in MLS. Philadelphia Union was around 20,000 in their 1st year. Vancouver and Portland are near selling out their season tickets before ever kicking an MLS ball. In the past 6 months, New England PATRIOTS, Dallas COWBOYS, New York METS and the San Diego PADRES have all explored acquiring an MLS franchise. Why ? Because the global potential of a soccer club is much more unlimited than some of the other sports markets. Try selling computer software or banking systems with NFL helmets outside America ?
8. If you look at the richest League in the world - The Premier League in England - the following clubs have American ownership:
ARSENAL
ASTON VILLA
LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED
EVERTON
Any more questions ? Let me know. >>
1) My point is that Americans do not like soccer relative to their passion for other sports. Obviously in a country of 320 million people you're going to find some folks who are into just about anything. But I'll bet you that 95% of American sports fans cannot name five active soccer players. Also, TV ratings for MLS were down 12% this year. The Pacific Northwest has ALWAYS been a weird hotbed for soccer, so big attendance numbers up there are not evidence of a growing trend- I remember growing up in Portland in the '70's and thinking that the Timbers were just as important nationally as the Blazers.
2) True, American teams can participate in the transfer windows. I phrased that poorly. What I meant to say is that playing a summer schedule makes int'l transfers much more complicated, since our season is not congruent with the seasons as played in Europe.
a couple, few more to Europe. That may be a problem. If anything, I see a North American-South American type league(s).
UEFA!!!
<< <i>I don't want to throw monkey wrench into all these scenarios but it takes 7 hr's to get to England
a couple, few more to Europe. That may be a problem. If anything, I see a North American-South American type league(s).
UEFA!!! >>
Very true, although Champions/Europa league games only occur sporadically, and there are long breaks between each round. The issue would be getting UEFA to accept N.American teams. That won't happen until the MLS starts producing viable competition for European clubs, but I think it will happen once the MLS gets up to snuff if only because there's so much money to be made on this side of the Atlantic.
Eyebone
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<< <i>Guy got me into soccer.
Well, he and my Italian cousins.................GO INTER!!!
Steve >>
Agreed. VIVA THE NERAZZURRI! >>
It's all about the Pinckney Blues.
(1) Freddie Abu
(2) Boris Beckham
(3) Renaldo Nehemiah
(4) Donovan (can't remember his last name).
(5) That American goalie guy (or "keeper" as those in the know like to say).
Put me in the other 5%
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<< <i>Love the futbol talk on here. Would like to see it more often. If you need a good reason to watch EPL, Manchester United visits Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday. That's one of the 3 Marquee games in English soccer right now. Find a way to watch it. >>
That's going to be a great one. Although if you had to pick ONE game to watch in the next month I think it's Arsenal/Barca on March 8th at the Nou Camp.
<< <i>go QUEENS PARK RANGERS >>
Good year to be a QPR fan. They'll be playing with the big boys this time next year.
<< <i>been there done that. I built the olympic village in Barca,went to one of the games.seated 120,000 people. 80,000 season ticket holders. Kick off at 10 30 at night (cooler). Mayhem when we got out about midnight.All the traffic just stopped as we walked to the metro.Great game cost me abot 50 bucks for the cheap seat.Never forget it. Seen Chelsea,man U, Arsenal,cologne,west ham,spurs, dortmund,dusseldorf,hansa rostock,vienna,QPR (of course)Barnsley,sheff wednesday,orient,derby.Was a season ticket holder for the whitecaps here in Vancouver,seen Sunderland here as well.NONE will compare to Barca. >>
That is a so true. When NFL Europe tried to get a foothold in Barcelona (Dragons I think), the American PR guy was so happy that they had 20,000 people show up for the 1st game. The Barcelona PR guy turned to him and said, "come tomorrow" for the soccer game. Barcelona, who have 90,000 season ticket holders, filled the stadium with 120,000 fans for real futbol.
Anyway ... back to vintage futbol ... imagine the 1950's N.Y. Yankees flying back to N.Y. after a game and flying into a building - killing all the stars of the team ?
This is what happened to the great Torino FC (known as "Il Grande Torino") side which won 5 straight championship and 7 of the decade, once provided 10 of the 11 starters for the Italian National Team.
On returning from an exhibition game in Spain in 1949, their airplane hit the capola of the cathedral in Turin. All were lost. This uncut sheet is from the card set released in 1950. I once offered $75 to a dealer for this and he refused. My mistake was I did it in the city of Turin (still worshiped their). So when I saw this again, I had to get one.
<< <i>Guy got me into soccer.
Well, he and my Italian cousins.................GO INTER!!!
Steve >>
Here you go Steve - One of Inter Milan's all-time greats ... the connection to the above Torino team - his father was one of the players that parrished in the crash.
This is from one of the nicest cards sets of the 1960's ...
And just as an aside the word 'cap' that we use for hats comes from the word cupola.
In Napoli they say un cupe'
lol
ALEX SMITH - RANGERS / SCOTLAND
1928 GARTMANN Chocolates (Germany) - all these are goalkeepers - tough days !
my personal favorite
Denis Viollet - Manchester United (2nd seried ) - a surviver of the Munich plane crash the year before this set.
Great cards.
I need to focus on finishing the 1959 A&BC set. The second series is hard to find.
I liken these to the 1952 Topps set. The hi gh numbers are pretty rare - especially in mint with the "Planet" tab. (cut along the dotted line)
The Eddie Baily is the # 1 card in the set. So it was great to find a nice example.
I have an Arsenal F.C. player card from every decade between 1910 -2010
I wanted to be Gordon Banks when I was in High School and he was a one eyed
keeper in the old NASL.
Now I'm the washed up keeper on the rec league team I sponsor.
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Robert
I know very little about the game and enjoy the cards being posted.
Especially some of the vintage examples!
Thanx for sharing.
<< <i>Found more card from this wonderful looking set - the artwork is phenominal. The prices for mint samples are getting harder and harder to meet.
1928 GARTMANN Chocolates (Germany) - all these are goalkeepers - tough days !
my personal favorite
Those are true works of art, how many cards are in a set?
Drewsef - The Gartmann's cards is a long running set (starting in 1901 with series 1). It compromises many subjects from history to literature to sport. I have cataloged about 14 series of 6 soccer cards (in each series) - so far over 80 cards. All of these are from 1928.
The British pre-war sets are pretty well cataloged, although some variations keep popping up. However, the German sets are a bit more difficult - as you can imagine most have been lost due to paper rationing and the carnages of war. I have been able to descern about 15 pre-war soccer related sets of which a dozen are purely soccer specific.
Here is another nice Gartmann card depicting the German team line up against Holland - 1928
and this from my other favorite set - 1928 Greiling cigarettes - showing Hamburg SV team (notice the Hamburg Cathedral in the background)