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Token with 2 reverses?

the token below is one posted by coinsarefun showing an indian head obverse with the store card reverse.. one the reverse is a heavy clash of the obverse..

the 3 photos on the bottom are a token I found one reverse has the IHC clash as in coinsarefun's photo and the other side is a reverse without the clash.. the middle photo is just a closer shot of the clash side

my questions are
1. Is this a known token?
2. How did this happen?

Thanks
Ken




Yes, I used to own this one. You can see the die clashes and heavy die cracks


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here's mine

How about a broadstrike for broadstruck ( looks broadstruck to me anyway )
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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    I have not seen one with two reverses, looks like i'll have to drag out "the book". Pretty freakin' cool.
  • TheRegulatorTheRegulator Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭
    There might be a couple die varieties for the same issuer, but it looks like different die states for the same pair of dies.
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  • jfoot13jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
    but it had to be paired with the IHC obverse at one time because you can see the impression in the clash?
    If you can't swim you better stay in the boat.......
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do not understand the question. Do you have one piece struck from two different "ONE COUNTRY" reverse dies, which would be considered a mule striking, or two different pieces struck from the same obverse die and two greatly-different-looking reverse dies of the same design?

    Broas Bros. token dies were used extensively, and come in greatly different die states. Die clashing and die cracking is commonly seen.

    Some of the heavily cracked dies are so common that one wonders how such a die could have stayed in use for so long. There is a theory that a die was made the regular way but then broke after use. Because a large coinage was anticipated, the coin then took this broken die and used it to make a hub. That hub, which showed evidence of the die cracks, was then used to make multiple working dies, all of which had the appearance of die cracks on their surfaces but were structurally sound within. They were then used to make many tokens.

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • jfoot13jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
    I have one piece struck with 2 reverse dies ( I believe ) the 3 photos I posted are of my coin.
    The middle photo is a close up showing the IHC obverse clash which lead me to believe it was paired with a normal die at one time. The 1st and 3rd photos are the 2 reverse dies. Is this a known mule for this token or something new?
    If you can't swim you better stay in the boat.......

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