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did anyone see the article in NN feb 8th issue about a doubled die 2010 5-ounce silver bullion grand

tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

...ken potter shows pics of it and it sure does look like the real deal, but it is not. hard to believe! if you

get a chance check it out. very interesting. image
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  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    How many are like this? I know my buddy got some with doubling on them.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How many are like this? I know my buddy got some with doubling on them. >>



    ...i didn't see anything in the article stating whether or not any others were reported. ken warns collectors to watch

    for these to be offered on the bay, possibly. so buyer beware! the tip off is the designer's initials which show shelf/

    machine doubling, this confirms that it is NOT a doubled die. also the collector, david s. brenner, found some form of

    doubling on all of the 5 coins in the 5-ounce silver series. the strongest was on the grand canyon example. image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's been reported a few times before.

    I wonder what the mint thinks about them, since it is obviously not an ideal strike and it is a mechanical issue.

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...it's best to give a long look at the designer initials on the coins for the shelf doubling. image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    The 5-oz drink coasters are struck twice in rapid succession. Their size almost guarantees some mechanical doubling someplace on the tokens.

    The dies take a full day or longer for an engraver to clean them after they are cut by the Micron die machine. It would seem very, very unlikely that any die would show true "doubled die" characteristics - just from the fact that they are cut not struck as in the old days.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 5-oz drink coasters are struck twice in rapid succession. Their size almost guarantees some mechanical doubling someplace on the tokens. >>



    image

    Here's the article about them:

    Article with pics
    Ed
  • I read the article. It was a very interesting read.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both my AMark and Fidelitrade Grand Canyons shows doubling on E Pluribus Unum. It's pretty easy to see if you know to look for it.
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  • Yup....on the Yellowstone

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...i was granted permission from ken potter to post the designer's initials that show the shelf/mechanical

    doubling to look for to confirm the coins are not true doubled dies.
    image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    nice pics


  • << <i>it's been reported a few times before.

    I wonder what the mint thinks about them, since it is obviously not an ideal strike and it is a mechanical issue. >>



    Is it really? Ken is out to lunch sometimes. He totally missed the boat on the Wisconsin's, lost quite a bit of street cred on the very bad call.
  • Dollar2007Dollar2007 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    My Grand Canyon and Yellowstone have doubling as well.
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    My had the doubling look as well, some even looked like tripling...However it was already reported and determined mechanical.


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  • I would suggest the coins with doubling (that's not "real" doubling) should be keepers until other opinions are explored image

    Edited to add: Since these coins are obviously different from coins without the doubling (or whatever) shouldn't they be classified somehow to differentiate them from coins struck without this "effect"
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first Yellowstone I picked up looked like this (i don't expect much premium at all, if any at all)

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure looks like a doubled die to me- has all the bells and whistles...
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  • << <i>Sure looks like a doubled die to me- has all the bells and whistles... >>



    Agreed......
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭


    << <i>My had the doubling look as well, some even looked like tripling...However it was already reported and determined mechanical.


    image >>






    While we're on the topic, although I've seen both types of doubling in photos etc...What would cause the little {dots, ridges, serrations} looking stuff going up the sides in my photo?
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, have any "experts" weighed in on these yet? Am I sitting on a golden ticket or is the doubling I am seeing machine doubling? My pictures are above in black/white.
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    anyone?
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    Bueller?

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