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MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
People complained about seeing "those 5oz puck threads," and I thought: "There's only really 1 active one."

They also complained about the "Carr Fantasy Coin Threads."

My thought...

Make 1!



Feel free to rant, moan and groan, stay within the rules, but don't sell since that's for the BST...
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll start with a whine:

    I didn't get one off the last run to finish the set of 5.

    WAH!

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WAHHH! WAHHH!!! Same here.......

    Miles
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    maybe we can make a fantasy fantasy coin?!!?!!!
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    kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭
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    What doe Daniel Carr have in store for this year?
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>maybe we can make a fantasy fantasy coin?!!?!!! >>



    Ok, then, what if during the last year of operations at the New Orleans Mint someone
    said "hey, let's make silver dollars one last time".

    So how about a 1909-O Morgan dollar with a mico-o mint mark exactly like the famous
    1896-o, 1900-o, and 1902-o micro-o vintage counterfeits (which were modeled after the
    genuine 1899-o micro-o), but over-struck on genuine Morgan dollars ?

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    kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>maybe we can make a fantasy fantasy coin?!!?!!! >>



    Ok, then, what if during the last year of operations at the New Orleans Mint someone
    said "hey, let's make silver dollars one last time".

    So how about a 1909-O Morgan dollar with a mico-o mint mark exactly like the famous
    1896-o, 1900-o, and 1902-o micro-o vintage counterfeits, but over-struck on genuine Morgan dollars ? >>



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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still up for old gold.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What does Daniel Carr have in store for this year? >>



    Just finished minting some 2011 Ameros, finally. I'll have to replace two or three dies before I make more.
    Maybe more Ameros around June. I'm thinking I will have a major change of the reverse design for those.

    New Hard Times tokens, such as:
    50th Anniversary of Eisenhower's 1961 "Military Industrial Complex" speech.
    The "Golden Parachure" (made out of gold, of course).
    Something with a China theme, like a Panda pissing on the world or ?

    1861-2011 sesquicentennial of the last Clark Gruber coins (based on the $20 Liberty design).
    Also perhaps a "Confederate States" 1861 $20 Double Eagle fantasy.

    2011 1/10 oz indian-head gold fractional.

    Others yet to be determined.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm still up for old gold. >>



    For fantasy coins, there is a lot that can be done here.
    While not really old, I'd like to do a high-grade ms "1908" $20 Liberty.
    And maybe different denominations as a "1934" continuation.
    Or a 1807-1812 Capped Bust (left) $10 Eagle.
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    ConstantineConstantine Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭
    Dan, if you have plans for another fantasy piece struck over a real coin, say a Morgan dollar.......have you considered letting collectors provide you with the coin? It could pan out to be a logistical challenge for you to coordinate, but I think it would be really cool to have the opportunity for me to provide the coin and get the same one back. Sort of like it was struck specially for me etc and I felt involved in the process. image
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    rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭
    1892-CC or 1893-CC Barber anything... preferably Halves
    Bear's "Growl of Approval" award 10/09 & 3/10 | "YOU SUCK" - PonyExpress8|"F the doctors!" - homerunhall | I hate my car
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really like the Clark Gruber idea, especially if made in gold. image

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    JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I really like the Clark Gruber idea, especially if made in gold. image

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I really like the Clark Gruber idea, especially if made in gold. image

    image >>



    Yes, it would be something like that, but one troy oz 999 gold.
    The actual design might be exactly like a type-1 US $20 Liberty, but with the Clark Gruber wording
    and other notations such as "Carr Emslie & Co" in small print. Not sure yet.
    I'm thinking I could potentially use the same obverse die paired with a "CSA" reverse.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dan, if you have plans for another fantasy piece struck over a real coin, say a Morgan dollar.......have you considered letting collectors provide you with the coin? It could pan out to be a logistical challenge for you to coordinate, but I think it would be really cool to have the opportunity for me to provide the coin and get the same one back. Sort of like it was struck specially for me etc and I felt involved in the process. image >>



    That is technically possible. I'll have to think about it.
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    << <i>Dan, if you have plans for another fantasy piece struck over a real coin, say a Morgan dollar.......have you considered letting collectors provide you with the coin? It could pan out to be a logistical challenge for you to coordinate, but I think it would be really cool to have the opportunity for me to provide the coin and get the same one back. Sort of like it was struck specially for me etc and I felt involved in the process. image >>



    That is technically possible. I'll have to think about it. >>



    I've got a roll's worth of aluminum Texas scratch-off lottery coins.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Dan, if you have plans for another fantasy piece struck over a real coin, say a Morgan dollar.......have you considered letting collectors provide you with the coin? It could pan out to be a logistical challenge for you to coordinate, but I think it would be really cool to have the opportunity for me to provide the coin and get the same one back. Sort of like it was struck specially for me etc and I felt involved in the process. image >>



    That is technically possible. I'll have to think about it. >>



    I was thinking you might need it to be that way for the old gold. Otherwise that's a lot of up front outlay...
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about a Panda sitting down hugging and eating the world?


    You could make a Chinese Panda Silver Copy coin and put in Brushed Chinese Calligraphy: ØÍ±Ò (yan4bi4) (counterfeit coin)

    The fantasy part? The leaves are marijuana leaves.


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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How about a Panda sitting down hugging and eating the world?


    You could make a Chinese Panda Silver Copy coin and put in Brushed Chinese Calligraphy: ØÍ±Ò (yan4bi4) (counterfeit coin)

    The fantasy part? The leaves are marijuana leaves.


    image >>



    I had in mind a panda lifting its leg (like a dog) on the world, as a reference to China's pervasive
    copyright and patent infringement, "sweatshop" labor policies, pollution, etc.. I like your idea of
    putting "counterfeit coin" in Chinese characters on it.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just a suggestion here. Maybe a silver dollar with a Charlotte mint mark. Maybe a Morgan with an after Civil War date. Charlotte only minted gold coins.

    Ron

    Edited to add: Duh, a Morgan would have to have an after the war date. 5 AM brain lock.
    And a Morgan would be more affordable than a Seated Dollar.
    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    No problems with this one. Everybody knows that original Capped Bust Dollars had six-pointed stars!

    Is that die polish by stars 10-11?

    TD

    P.S.: Why the Mona Lisa smile?
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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭


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    No problems with this one. Everybody knows that original Capped Bust Dollars had six-pointed stars!

    Is that die polish by stars 10-11?

    TD

    P.S.: Why the Mona Lisa smile? >>



    Beats the hell out of, say, a Susan B. Anthony, or Eunice Shriver obverse! image

    I'll come up with something.
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    How about a Confederate States of America, South Carolina coining it's own money with the caption "The South Will Rise Again". It's better then the Amero idea our government came up with image

    I do like your China, Panda pissing on the world idea.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Everybody knows that original Capped Bust Dollars had six-pointed stars! >>



    And no earring.



    << <i>Is that die polish by stars 10-11? >>



    Those are pretty severe die gouges. The die failed to heat-treat properly. As I started using it, the die face started to "mushroom" and expand. Soon the die would no longer fit in the collar. So I kept rotating the die up against a grinding wheel to reduce the diameter (which resulted in narrower rims). One time I slipped.



    << <i>P.S.: Why the Mona Lisa smile? >>



    Sometimes things are simply the way they are because that's the way they turned out.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    more ideas...


    who's that pencil artist who runs coppercoins.com?

    you could team with him and make medals or some such commemorative tokens using his art work.

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    << <i>more ideas...


    who's that pencil artist who runs coppercoins.com?

    you could team with him and make medals or some such commemorative tokens using his art work. >>



    This guy?:
    http://www.cdaughtrey.com/
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yeah
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Everybody knows that original Capped Bust Dollars had six-pointed stars! >>



    And no earring.



    << <i>Is that die polish by stars 10-11? >>



    Those are pretty severe die gouges. The die failed to heat-treat properly. As I started using it, the die face started to "mushroom" and expand. Soon the die would no longer fit in the collar. So I kept rotating the die up against a grinding wheel to reduce the diameter (which resulted in narrower rims). One time I slipped.
    >>



    I thought that was a bulge in the lower left obverse, but wasn't sure.
    As to the earring, I was reminded of the center hubbing circles found on various mid-19th century dies.
    TD
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,472 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>maybe we can make a fantasy fantasy coin?!!?!!! >>



    Ok, then, what if during the last year of operations at the New Orleans Mint someone
    said "hey, let's make silver dollars one last time".

    So how about a 1909-O Morgan dollar with a mico-o mint mark exactly like the famous
    1896-o, 1900-o, and 1902-o micro-o vintage counterfeits (which were modeled after the
    genuine 1899-o micro-o), but over-struck on genuine Morgan dollars ? >>

    What? You like getting beat up by the forums? image

    My order for those 2011 Amero coins has been placed. (Regardless of the die gouges!)
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    orevilleoreville Posts: 11,780 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Also perhaps a "Confederate States" 1861 $20 Double Eagle fantasy. >>




    Ooooh, I would like to see that!
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i'm curious to know what the fascination is with these coins that are essentially copies with subtle changes?? most members bemoan copies of coins from the various Private Mints which have done such things faithfully and included "copy" somewhere on the coin. i don't want to seem as though i'm criticizing DCarr, but the designs most members are fascinated with aren't original, they are copies. it would be a different story if we were seeing original designs such as those on the 2000 era Dollar patterns, but i'm confused about these.
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    << <i>i'm curious to know what the fascination is with these coins that are essentially copies with subtle changes?? most members bemoan copies of coins from the various Private Mints which have done such things faithfully and included "copy" somewhere on the coin. i don't want to seem as though i'm criticizing DCarr, but the designs most members are fascinated with aren't original, they are copies. it would be a different story if we were seeing original designs such as those on the 2000 era Dollar patterns, but i'm confused about these. >>



    The fact it doesnt say "copy" plays a huge part i suspect.
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    orevilleoreville Posts: 11,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    keets:

    The fascination is primarily holding in your hand a "what if."

    Daniel Carr has captured the essence of the original design better than anyone I have ever seen.
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    What I think would be great is a total redesign of our coinage system.
    Maybe a decimal type system, beginning with ten cents, then 50, then one dollar, then five and ten. And the diameters and alloys should reflect the value, also Braille would be a plus.
    That would be original and groundbreaking.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    Question: are the Hawaiian Islands part of the Union of North America?
    They do not seem to have made the map.
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    orevilleoreville Posts: 11,780 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Question: are the Hawaiian Islands part of the Union of North America? They do not seem to have made the map. >>



    I see the islands, but they are very faint.
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    << <i> Question: are the Hawaiian Islands part of the Union of North America? They do not seem to have made the map. >>



    I see the islands, but they are very faint. >>



    Given that view, they'd be just a speck. Carr takes his map images straight from digitized topography, so it's gonna be true to form.
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dan,

    How about something for the Civil War sesquicentennial? Maybe do some sort of a cool repro of Scotts Confederate Half Dollar Restrike. You know plane the reverse design off a 1861-o seated half like J.W. scott did and then strike the reverse with a similiar design. I would buy one!Link
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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody else pocket piece a Carr?

    I've done a few days so far with my copper 2010 Uncle Scam/Puppet Master token. I think a work week pretty much. Other coins, wallet/clip, full zippo, cigar cutter, the token is what I carried. Got some good rim dings, and a noticeable rub and brown off the fields. Not worth a photo yet as my setup wouldn't show it really, but you can tell by eye it's going for rides.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dan,

    How about something for the Civil War sesquicentennial? Maybe do some sort of a cool repro of Scotts Confederate Half Dollar Restrike. You know plane the reverse design off a 1861-o seated half like J.W. scott did and then strike the reverse with a similiar design. I would buy one!Link >>



    Those are really neat. But since it has been done well already, I think I'd rather take a different approach and do a Confederate Double Eagle. Re-facing common Peace dollars is one thing, but I'd rather not alter original 1861-O half dollars.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anybody else pocket piece a Carr? ... >>



    I often carry several around, but usually end up parting with them before they get below AU-55 or so.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Anybody else pocket piece a Carr? ... >>



    I often carry several around, but usually end up parting with them before they get below AU-55 or so. >>



    Ever spend one?
    (Nudge, nudge! Wink, wink!)

    image
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    sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I am sure he spends those Ameros all the time.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've left a few as tips (in addition to legal tender).
    Usually people at the local coin club meetings scarf them up at a discount.
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    ........A 1964-D ,struck over a real Franklin , with a Reverse proof 1964 Franklin Half dollar variety , with a very small turkey replacing the eagle on the reverse of both.

    The collector base for Franklins is huge , and Ben himself wanted the turkey as our National bird.

    A mintage of 490 pieces , with 10 additional pieces struck in 90% gold .
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    the D.Carr Peace Dollar controversy will seemingly never end ........... lets get them all to the top until everyone has has their fill and are plumb sick of the issue
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I propose a dcarr $1 trillion dollar hard times token


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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My chocolate brown copper Uncle Scam token pocket piece is long gone. Have absolutely no idea what happened to it. The wife was out of town for 2 weeks and I lost it during an absolutely wonderful bender of an evening. Could have gave it to someone for all I know or someone took it as I liked to show it around. All I know is it's gone and someone has it or will find it. Either way it's all good.

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