Would you bid on this Ebay listing? Updated with a poster link to auction from which images were ta

coinguy1

And if not, why not?

Step right up?

rld14

Looks good to me, other than they have photography skills which are even worse than mine.

What am I missing? Coin seems to have a nice look to it but I am about as familiar with small eagle dollars as I am with neurosurgery.

illini420

cert no. checked out on the NGC website, but no photos there to compare with. seller has a return policy, so that seems good. but the lack of any selling by this person for the past few years would make me a little uneasy to spend alot. But i'd imagine PayPal would protect me if the seller is a bad guy.

coindeuce

NOT. I don't see any outward sign of a problem with the images, however take your pick:

A) The item is "hot" goods.

The images were "borrowed".

C) The entire listing is a hijack.

AnkurJ

No due to low feedback, and I read that off center examples have been faked in big numbers.

WinPitcher

No, If I'm in the market for such a coin I'm buying from someone that I know or at the least has a rep.

thisnamztaken

<< <i>No, If I'm in the market for such a coin I'm buying from someone that I know or at the least has a rep. >>



I agree. On a high ticket item I'd hesitate to deal with an eBayer with only one sale in the last 5 years, has dark pix, and one of his few feedback replies says he misrepresented the item and refused to refund the money.

AUandAG

VF30? Not anything that I've collected or am familiar with but the grade is off by a bunch.
That would lead me to suspect the authenticity.

No clue otherwise.

bob

mrcoin3

No because the seller drives an Altima.

coinguy1

<< <i>VF30? Not anything that I've collected or am familiar with but the grade is off by a bunch.
That would lead me to suspect the authenticity.

No clue otherwise.

bob >>

It looks like an easy XF 40 to me.

TomB

There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad.

Frankiefanatic

<< <i>And if not, why not?

Step right up? >>



Yes I would

if I was interested in this particular coin

we have many friends on this board alone that live in the Naperville, ill. area that can (for a fee) pay a visit to the seller to verify the legitamacy of this item (in hand) and would have no qualms in placing a strong bid if it is legit.

SUMORADA

I know very little when it comes to these but shouldn't it be a 2 leaf or a 3 leaf.....? It appears to be neither..IMO ...OOPS! Draped not Flowing Hair



edited for spellcheck.........mis-spent youth.

PinkFloyd

Everything's weighted in the buyer's favor these days....

If it did turn out to be a fake you could get your money back.

PawPaul

# 1 reason my answer would be no : he won't ship to Russia

#2 ........he has limited feedback with a neg. from years ago ??

#3 ........ hasn't sold anything on eBay in three years

#4 ..........he's from Naperville , IL

#5 .......... it's in a NGC holder

DieClash

Winning bidder has a FB score of 12,700+. Not sure what he deals in, but definitely a veteran e-Bayer. To answer the OP, the price exceeds my coin budget and I am not collecting 18th century coins at the moment.

Cheers!



Kirk

Manorcourtman

I don't like the font of the label........

MsMorrisine

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<< <i>And if not, why not?

Step right up? >>



Yes I would

if I was interested in this particular coin

we have many friends on this board alone that live in the Naperville, ill. area that can (for a fee) pay a visit to the seller to verify the legitamacy of this item (in hand) and would have no qualms in placing a strong bid if it is legit. >>




Have you been to liveauctioneers.com recently?

lkeigwin

<< <i>There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad. >>

Precisely my thoughts, Tom.

So Mark, fill us in!
Lance.

coinguy1

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<< <i>There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad. >>

Precisely my thoughts, Tom.

So Mark, fill us in!
Lance. >>

I'm not at all certain that anything is bad.

The coin looks genuine to me, and, with a brief search, I couldn't find it on Heritage or anywhere else. But I am generally extremely conservative when it comes to bidding on EBay. So I wouldn't bid on the listing, due to the limited and non-recent feedback of the seller and the type of items that he/she has handled. Even with Paypal protection, I prefer to avoid hassles, even if it means leaving money on the table.

I disagree with you gentlemen about the auction interference issue. If this thread has any impact at all on the listing, I think chances are much greater that it could help it, than that it could hurt it.

coinlieutenant

I would if I lived in Naperville...or had someone there that could pick it up in person...at a very populated spot.

RedHerring

<< <i>Would you bid on this Ebay listing? >>



I did! I live 150 miles west of Naperville on the Mightly Mississippi and have PayPal protection.

numobri

Yes, I would bid on this coin but, I do think it is a bit over graded.


Brian

HKstrongside

Wouldn't buy. To much $$ to spend on a user with very little feedback.

CoinJunkie

PawPaul, you crack me up!



Edit: No way am I bidding on a high dollar coin from someone with that feedback profile.

MsMorrisine

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<< <i>There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad. >>

Precisely my thoughts, Tom.

So Mark, fill us in!
Lance. >>

I'm not at all certain that anything is bad.

The coin looks genuine to me, and, with a brief search, I couldn't find it on Heritage or anywhere else. But I am generally extremely conservative when it comes to bidding on EBay. So I wouldn't bid on the listing, due to the limited and non-recent feedback of the seller and the type of items that he/she has handled. Even with Paypal protection, I prefer to avoid hassles, even if it means leaving money on the table.

I disagree with you gentlemen about the auction interference issue. If this thread has any impact at all on the listing, I think chances are much greater that it could help it, than that it could hurt it. >>




You didn't go to the link I provided?

They lifted the exact 3 pictures from that site.

(and the title, too)

ebaybuyer

i wouldnt bid because it reminds me of a company in naperville that i will not do business with because they are fuggin idgets

CarlWohlforth

No, I doubt I'd bid on it. He has very little feedback. The most recent sale was from 2008. If after doing searches I'd start a dialogue with the seller and would judge how that went..

SeaEagleCoins

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<< <i>And if not, why not?

Step right up? >>



Yes I would

if I was interested in this particular coin

we have many friends on this board alone that live in the Naperville, ill. area that can (for a fee) pay a visit to the seller to verify the legitamacy of this item (in hand) and would have no qualms in placing a strong bid if it is legit. >>




Have you been to liveauctioneers.com recently? >>




some nice detective work there


now a few folks might want to give the ebay seller the benefit of the doubt... ... as perhaps the ebay seller was the winner of the auction linked by ms morrrisine ... but I kinda doubt that's the case...


OK Mark... are you ready to run some ebay auction interference now?

BAJJERFAN

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<< <i>There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad. >>

Precisely my thoughts, Tom.

So Mark, fill us in!
Lance. >>

I'm not at all certain that anything is bad.


I disagree with you gentlemen about the auction interference issue. If this thread has any impact at all on the listing, I think chances are much greater that it could help it, than that it could hurt it. >>



Is it considered auction interference to disparage [if that is what is being done] an auction listing on an internet message board?

coinguy1

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<< <i>There must be some sort of problem with the auction simply because I don't believe that you would engage in what might be termed auction interference if you were not certain something was bad. >>

Precisely my thoughts, Tom.

So Mark, fill us in!
Lance. >>

I'm not at all certain that anything is bad.

The coin looks genuine to me, and, with a brief search, I couldn't find it on Heritage or anywhere else. But I am generally extremely conservative when it comes to bidding on EBay. So I wouldn't bid on the listing, due to the limited and non-recent feedback of the seller and the type of items that he/she has handled. Even with Paypal protection, I prefer to avoid hassles, even if it means leaving money on the table.

I disagree with you gentlemen about the auction interference issue. If this thread has any impact at all on the listing, I think chances are much greater that it could help it, than that it could hurt it. >>




You didn't go to the link I provided?

They lifted the exact 3 pictures from that site.

(and the title, too) >>

Sorry, I missed that. It seems that there probably is something very bad about the Ebay listing.

RichieURich

<< <i>You didn't go to the link I provided?

They lifted the exact 3 pictures from that site.

(and the title, too) >>

Sorry, I missed that. It seems that there probably is something very bad about the Ebay listing. >>



The auction they lifted the pix from was in 2008. So it is entirely possible that the purchaser of this lot in 2008 is now selling it.

However, I wouldn't be bidding because of the other issues you folks mentioned (low feedback, possible hijacked account, etc.)

coinguy1

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<< <i>You didn't go to the link I provided?

They lifted the exact 3 pictures from that site.

(and the title, too) >>

Sorry, I missed that. It seems that there probably is something very bad about the Ebay listing. >>



The auction they lifted the pix from was in 2008. So it is entirely possible that the purchaser of this lot in 2008 is now selling it.

However, I wouldn't be bidding because of the other issues you folks mentioned (low feedback, possible hijacked account, etc.) >>

I just sent this message to the seller:

"Hi, can you tell me if you took those pictures, and if so, can you provide a few others of the coin, head-on instead of tilted? Thanks"

Casman

I wouldn't bid on that knowing the sellers using photos from 3 years ago. Also, as far as the naperville thing, how does anyone really know where a seller is supposedly located?

I see goofy stuff all the time for item location: For example, Anyplace, USA, Platinumtowne USA, #1 Seller USA or anything else a seller wants to put in. I don't think that should be allowed on Ebay...

lkeigwin

It'll be interesting to hear his answer, Mark.

"Auction interference" (to use Tom's term, I like it) is not limited to a posting that might harm an auction, IMO. It can benefit as well. And because you, Mark, are the paragon of protocol I felt sure there was a reason you'd cite a live auction.

Turns out, your instincts may be correct.
Lance.

AUandAG

<< <i>I wouldn't bid on that knowing the sellers using photos from 3 years ago. Also, as far as the naperville thing, how does anyone really know where a seller is supposedly located?

I see goofy stuff all the time for item location: For example, Anyplace, USA, Platinumtowne USA, #1 Seller USA or anything else a seller wants to put in. I don't think that should be allowed on Ebay... >>



It's not allowed. But they do need to be reported. Just hit the report link and click on
"listings violations", then click on "item location misrepresentation". They will make the
seller correct that information.

SeaEagleCoins

bidding is up to over $6000 now


Mark... any answer from the seller yet?

Frankcoins

<< <i>And if not, why not?

Step right up? >>



No feedback history of dealing in coins, no seller feedback more recent than 2008, no ABOUT ME page, no numismatic credentials listed, no description of the item other than what is on the slab. Verdict: Either a stolen coin, fake slab, stolen picture or other scam.

vibr0nic

Obviously a hi-jacked eBay account.

One does not simply go from selling a few dozen phones and DVD players (see feedback), take three years off eBay, and then sell a five figure coin.

I wouldn't read anything into the fact that there are enough clueless eBayers out there who have bid it up to almost $8k.

Justacommeman

Or maybe this person is selling it on cosignment or for a friend that isn't computer savvy. Maybe the owner of the coin didn't know the lister of the coin had such shallow feedback. Maybe they just thought, "Gene has an ebay account. sounds good" and I'll sell it that way..............Probably more likely to be one of Frank's choices but you never know. I could totally see my Dad selling something through a friend like that after a Knights Of Columbus spaghetti dinner chat. My folks are highly educated in their early 70's and have never turned on a computer. Dad did enroll in a computer class as he needs the experience for the next election. Trust me less most folks do not know how EBAY truly operates.............MJ

coinguy1

<< <i>Or maybe this person is selling it on cosignment or for a friend that isn't computer savvy. Maybe the owner of the coin didn't know the lister of the coin had such shallow feedback. Maybe they just thought, "Gene has an ebay account. sounds good" and I'll sell it that way..............Probably more likely to be one of Frank's choices but you never know. I could totally see my Dad selling something through a friend like that after a Knights Of Columbus spaghetti dinner chat. My folks are highly educated in their early 70's and have never turned on a computer. Dad did enroll in a computer class as he needs the experience for the next election. Trust me less most folks do not know how EBAY truly operates.............MJ >>

Even though the above could be the case, I think it extremely unlikely that such a coin would be sold without a reserve. That, added to the history of the seller, where the images came from, etc., makes me think - yes, I will use the word - scam.

I have not received a reply from the seller with regard to my questions about the images.

MsMorrisine

I asked for a better picture of the front before you asked and haven't gotten a reply.

One can bid on stuff like this hoping for a shot at glory, but IF it is fraudulent actually paying is helping the potentially fraudster to rip off PayPal/eBay.

Unfortunately, I agree. No one here has absolute proof it is a fraud.

I did msg ebay and suggested they hold the funds until feedback is left.

Sonorandesertrat

I would not bid, primarily because I don't know the seller and do not like the quality of the images provided.
Even if the coin seems properly graded, I am fussy enough that it's unlikely that I would like it enough to want to buy it.

RedHerring

Listing removed by eBay.