Extremely Rare Double Struck Error on a 2010 Shied Cent

ctf_error_coins · January 29, 2011 9:43AM

This is one very rare error coin being the only Double struck Shield Cent that I have ever heard of, but of course there could be more. A very Nice Ebay Cherry

gargoyle62 · January 29, 2011 9:49AM

Nice find. Looks like your eyes are still holding up.......

JamesMurray · January 29, 2011 10:04AM

That's very cool , nice and obvious and unquestionable. I'm gonna have start paying closer attention to my change, thanks for posting that.

tychojoe · January 29, 2011 10:13AM

Cool!

keyman64 · January 29, 2011 10:14AM

Nice one!

ctf_error_coins · January 29, 2011 11:21AM

<< That's very cool , nice and obvious and unquestionable. I'm gonna have start paying closer attention to my change, thanks for posting that. >>

Yes indeed, it is very obvious. I was almost positive it was Double struck from the photos on ebay but wanted in hand to be sure. I very nice ebay cherry.

sinin1 · January 29, 2011 12:47PM

I see the big E between ONE CENT but nothing else on the cent corresponding to a 30 degree rotation

is there anything on the other side?

it would be really cool to have discovered such a prominent double die on a modern coin

MsMorrisine · January 29, 2011 12:50PM

<< Nice one!

>>

you can say that again

JupitarCoins · January 29, 2011 2:23PM

Great looking double die.
Are you going to send it in to pcgs?

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 2:31AM

Hi, This is not a Doubled Die, IMO it is a Double struck coin.

I was PM'd a thread about this coin on another forum where they say this is a garage job or fake.

I disagree but would like more discussion on this coin tho be sure one way or the other.

I have seen many, many, many garage jobs and this one , IMO is not one of them.

The obverse is perfect, no signs of a smash job. This coin has a double rim.

Let's discuss this more ........

GoldenEgg · January 30, 2011 2:49AM

My vote is for it being a real double struck in collar. The higher lettering of the E in cents is affected by the previous strike and i don't see how anyone could fake this type of error on the banner part behind ONE CENT. The horizontal line below E PLURIBUS UNUM is also affected, or is this damage? Wait for more opinions though.

19Lyds · January 30, 2011 2:55AM

<< Hi, This is not a Doubled Die, IMO it is a Double struck coin.

I was PM'd a thread about this coin on another forum where they say this is a garage job or fake.

I disagree but would like more discussion on this coin tho be sure one way or the other.

I have seen many, many, many garage jobs and this one , IMO is not one of them.

The obverse is perfect, no signs of a smash job. This coin has a double rim.

Let's discuss this more ........ >>

Please explain how it could have such an offset yet have the obverse unaffected or "perfect" as you say?

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 3:01AM

<< 

<< How could it have such an offset yet have the obverse unaffected or "perfect" as you say? >>

In the case of most in collar double strikes almost all of the first strike is wiped out. What I meant by "perfect" is that it looks normal and no signs of flattened features from a smash job. The obverse Does have a double rim tho.

Coinsponge · January 30, 2011 3:04AM

I sent a double strike in collar Spouse coin to PCGS and they would not recognize it. Is that their policy?

BaronVonBaugh · January 30, 2011 3:09AM

I may be wrong, but to me it looks like one cent backwards (right to left). It looks like an O of ONE on top of the T of CENT,
also the E of ONE facing the E of CENT. I would say home made not mint made, not made in the press.

Edit: I see both N's with the slant the wrong way.

Rampage · January 30, 2011 3:17AM

It does not look double struck to me. My vote is PMD. But, based on the seller's pictures, it was not a bad lottery ticket for the price you paid.

grip · January 30, 2011 3:21AM

<< I may be wrong, but to me it looks like one cent backwards (right to left). It looks like an O of ONE on top of the T of CENT,
also the E of ONE facing the E of CENT. I would say home made not mint made, not made in the press.

Edit: I see both N's with the slant the wrong way. >>

Thats how I see it.

grip · January 30, 2011 3:23AM

Looks like a railroad rim.

johnny9434 · January 30, 2011 3:39AM

looks like a nice catch

wtg

Staircoins · January 30, 2011 3:40AM

<< ... to me it looks like one cent backwards (right to left). It looks like an O of ONE on top of the T of CENT,
also the E of ONE facing the E of CENT. I would say home made not mint made, not made in the press.

I see both N's with the slant the wrong way. >>

Definitely post mint, unfortunately. Nice eyes, though!

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 3:59AM

Wow, very interesting thread. Everyone loved the coin until I mentioned that someone else thought it was a garage job. And the tide turned, LOL.

Anyway I still believe this is a true Double struck coin. I think you guys are seeing things in the letters that are not there. And why the double rim?????? And why no flattening of the obverse?

Anyway I thought for fun if I would do a smash job.... so here you go

Smash Job

Smash job obverse with the telltale sighs of a fake

My coin with a photo of the obverse and no flattening and the double rim

goodmoney4badmoney · January 30, 2011 4:04AM

Looking at the photos I think it's likely a PMD "smash job", but very lightly hit. I can see the backwards O and N next to/below the normal ONE.

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 4:09AM

<< Looking at the photos I think it's likely a PMD "smash job", but very lightly hit. I can see the backwards O and N next to/below the normal ONE. >>

I don't see what you are seeing. The "E" looks normal and not backward to me.

And No one has answered why the Double Rim??????

I am not being defensive, (or am I, lol), but I see what I see and believe it is real and can't figure out how it is a fake if it is.

Staircoins · January 30, 2011 4:15AM

<< ... why no flattening of the obverse? >>

I do see general overall distortion of the obverse, much as if the so-called "smash job" was done over something like very thick leather or very hard rubber.

The bottom line is that the letters 'struck into' the shield banner are in reverse (as they would be if they were imparted by another coin), rather than normal, as they would appear if they were die struck.

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 4:20AM

<< 

<< ...

The bottom line is that the letters 'struck into' the shield banner are in reverse (as they would be if they were imparted by another coin), rather than normal, as they would appear if they were die struck. >>

In hand the "E" does not look pressed in nor backwards. It looks normal to me.

Lighting can make things look recessed when they are not.

Please explain the double rim?

BaronVonBaugh · January 30, 2011 4:43AM

Please PM Fred Weinberg and ask him to look at it.

goodmoney4badmoney · January 30, 2011 4:48AM

<< 

<< Looking at the photos I think it's likely a PMD "smash job", but very lightly hit. I can see the backwards O and N next to/below the normal ONE. >>

I don't see what you are seeing. The "E" looks normal and not backward to me.

And No one has answered why the Double Rim??????

I am not being defensive, (or am I, lol), but I see what I see and believe it is real and can't figure out how it is a fake if it is. >>

I meant to say a backward E and N next to the normal ONE. The rim to me is just a product of the original strike.

19Lyds · January 30, 2011 5:01AM

<< Please PM Fred Weinberg and ask him to look at it. >>

Aside from Fred, Mike Diamond of CONECA is an excellent authority on all types of error coins.

Perhaps errormaven will stop by?

BTW, ErrorsOnCoins, I don't doubt what you feel but certainly more than 1 expert opinion is needed for something like this.

Staircoins · January 30, 2011 5:06AM

There have been plenty of posts in the past regarding how a double rim occurs. Here's one, for example.

I'm no graphics whiz, but here's my interpretation of the reverse lettering that I see. Looke below my added O and E for the added letters from the word ONE, and above my added EN for the added letters from the word CENT. The upper banner edge also slants in the wrong direction.

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 5:10AM

<< 

<< Please PM Fred Weinberg and ask him to look at it. >>

Aside from Fred, Mike Diamond of CONECA is an excellent authority on all types of error coins.

Perhaps errormaven will stop by?

BTW, ErrorsOnCoins, I don't doubt what you feel but certainly more than 1 expert opinion is needed for something like this. >>

I agree with you completely and would like Mike or Fred to put in their input.

Funny thing is, I was the one who made this thread turn. IMO, Information is a good thing.

errormaven · January 30, 2011 5:10AM

It looks like post-strike damage or an intentional alteration. The coin lacks the sharp, but incomplete penetration of first-strike elements through the second strike. Instead we have soft, blended overlap which is a characteristic of crude counterfeit second strikes.

If the accessory design elements are raised and normally oriented, then we're probably looking at a very light impact from a fake die of relatively soft consistency. The "double rim" also presents a very uncharacteristic appearance from the standpoint of a genuine double strike. It looks more like the double rims one sometimes sees in association with formerly encased cents.

BaronVonBaugh · January 30, 2011 5:17AM

From what I have seen on double struck in collar coins it is normally the outline of major devices that stand out.
Where is the outline of the shield?

look at this eagle.
You can clearly see the outline of the first strike of the eagle.

If you put a piece of leather between the vice and the coins it will protect the coin from damage. People that do this usually use a tube to maintain alignment. If they use a longer tube
they can do many at once. I have heard of it being done by the roll. Then they sell some for a profit and the rest go back into circulation.

ctf_error_coins · January 30, 2011 5:19AM

I will yield to Mike, as he is the expert.

I do see it differently but as I Respect his opinion and will let his diagnostics stand.

I can't see someone making a "fake die" for and $11 coin. The double rim and crumpled rim still has me stumped, but you said it could be from an encased cent. So someone took an encased cent, cracked it out, and stamped it with a false counterfeit die, hmmm....... seems like a lot of work to me for eleven bucks, but who knows, some people have too much time on their hands.

The seller has a full refund policy, but for $11 I thought it was worth the gamble, and will probably keep it.

I would still like Mike of Fred to to this in hand.

Thank you for the Info.

sinin1 · January 30, 2011 6:07AM

ErrorsOnCoins - you have the coin in hand so have an advantage over the rest of us, and also have more error experience than most of us, so I have a couple questions for you

- with the double struck idea of yours, is there any coin rotation involved? and if so, can you point out evidence of it?
- what is going on with the reverse banner with ONE CENT and the area around it (does the metal go up or down, does it look like before or after main strike?)

- could you get the same sort of edge with misaligned dies or ejection doubling?
(some people call these railroad rims and frequently but not always associated with double struck proof coins)

Extremely Rare Double Struck Error on a 2010 Shied Cent

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