BST Scumbag Alert!!!
Loki
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A classic Bait, Steal, and Take-off transaction.
Purchased a Jackson First Spouse Proof gold coin from a scumbag known as Henson4. Paid via Paypal. Said he would ship Jan 11.
No coin, no response to my PM's, just took my hard-saved money and rode off in the sunset.
So watch out for a scumbag known as Henson4.
My lesson is: If (and that's a big IF) I decide to purchase anything in the future from the BST, the seller better give me 1) a verifiable phone number, and 2) a verifiable street address, otherwise no deal!
Purchased a Jackson First Spouse Proof gold coin from a scumbag known as Henson4. Paid via Paypal. Said he would ship Jan 11.
No coin, no response to my PM's, just took my hard-saved money and rode off in the sunset.
So watch out for a scumbag known as Henson4.
My lesson is: If (and that's a big IF) I decide to purchase anything in the future from the BST, the seller better give me 1) a verifiable phone number, and 2) a verifiable street address, otherwise no deal!
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How does one go about verifying a street address?
<< <i>Sorry to hear of your trouble.
How does one go about verifying a street address? >>
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<< <i>Wont paypal refund the money if you file a complaint? >>
PayPal... No... but, if you paid with PayPal using a credit card, you could file a claim through your credit card provider.
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<< <i>Wont paypal refund the money if you file a complaint? >>
PayPal... No... but, if you paid with PayPal using a credit card, you could file a claim through your credit card provider. >>
Yes they will. Paypal Buyer Protection will refund any disputed transaction, especially if your item never arrived.
Link to Paypal Buyer Protection page
<< <i>Sorry to hear about that. I have had excellent transactions with many on the BST... and have had absolutely no problems. But even here, there can be some bad ones from time to time, as we are reminded. Anyone here know Henson4? >>
I kinda wondered why nobody has heard of henson4 , a member all of a month or so , Nov 2010 and 51 posts.
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<< <i>Wont paypal refund the money if you file a complaint? >>
PayPal... No... but, if you paid with PayPal using a credit card, you could file a claim through your credit card provider. >>
Yes they will. Paypal Buyer Protection will refund any disputed transaction, especially if your item never arrived.
Link to Paypal Buyer Protection page >>
I may be wrong... but I'm still not Anaconda!
JJ
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<< <i>Wont paypal refund the money if you file a complaint? >>
PayPal... No... but, if you paid with PayPal using a credit card, you could file a claim through your credit card provider. >>
Yes they will. Paypal Buyer Protection will refund any disputed transaction, especially if your item never arrived.
Link to Paypal Buyer Protection page >>
I may be wrong... but I'm still not Anaconda!
If the item you ordered never shows up, and the seller can't provide the required proof of shipment or delivery, you'll get a full refund. It's that simple.
Whether you made your purchase on eBay or any other site, you can open a dispute at the Resolution Center to get the process started.
I copy/pasted from the link , unless it was sent as a gift which is silly to begin with a claim can be instigated.
<< <i>To clarify--if buying using Paypal, you can file a claim if you used "Paypal Purchase" but not if you're using the "gift" option, correct? Could be wrong. >>
Correct.
Whoosh, I had to open the thread just to make sure he wasn't calling me out
IMHO you can not file thru paypal if using the gift option. They don't charge the fee simply because you're not getting the cost of protection. You can't send a gift thru Credit Card so you can't file a dispute. The funds are taken straight from you bank account or paypal balance and as far as paypal is concerned, it's a done deal, period.
I'll cross my fingers for you.
<< <i>... You can't send a gift thru Credit Card so you can't file a dispute. The funds are taken straight from you bank account or paypal balance and as far as paypal is concerned, it's a done deal, period... >>
Yes, you can send a gift with a CC... but you will pay the fee if you do... it is free when you use your PP balance or linked bank acct... but regardless of how you fund the gift... as they say... a gift is a gift... once given... it's done...
FTR --- I will only use the "payment owed" option now... it is more "honest" and is also free (unless funded by CC) ... and as a payment owed, if I use a CC, I may have some degree of protection w/ my CC company if needed... but then, I only use this option with folks I already have some working relationship with...
(BTW ... a 3% fee may break a deal when there is a close margin but it is cheap insurance all around)
As for PP ... unless you pay in the traditional "purchase" manner... they will offer no guarantees or protection... and rightfully so IMHO
I have never heard/saw Henson4 post
To the OP: Sorry about this issue. New members need to be verified and using regular PayPal is one way of doing that.
<< <i>Sorry to hear of your trouble.
How does one go about verifying a street address? >>
If it exists, you can mapquest, googlemap, and yahoomap it.
<< <i>To clarify--if buying using Paypal, you can file a claim if you used "Paypal Purchase" but not if you're using the "gift" option, correct? Could be wrong. >>
The gift option is for just that a gift. I do not use paypal gift to send or receive money unless it is to my parents. Nobody else should either. --Jerry
<< <i>Not fer nothin'....he could have passed away. >>
......only to be resurrected as an alternate I.D.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just put a shout out on the board and ask for references.
I have done it a couple of times myself and got great responces from the members. It made me very comfortable and I have had great experiences. Not just BST I also find that method very
helpful for about any internet sales.
In my line of work I check addresses at the county tax collectors web site and you can find that
with a google seach. I also check back grounds through county court records by name. You
can find the county court records with a search also. There are a lot of ways to find out about
someone if you got even just a little information. If anything doesn't check out then do not send the $$$.
--- Jack Handy
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<< <i>I made an offer on that coin which Henson4 accepted, then retracted once -I assume -the OP offered to purchase at some higher price.Although henson4 never replied to my pm's after the retraction,he also did not sell the coin twice.So maybe he's not ripping you off , if he was a thief I would think that he would have taken my money as well. >>
Accepted then retracted is never a good sign.
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<< <i>I made an offer on that coin which Henson4 accepted, then retracted once -I assume -the OP offered to purchase at some higher price.Although henson4 never replied to my pm's after the retraction,he also did not sell the coin twice.So maybe he's not ripping you off , if he was a thief I would think that he would have taken my money as well. >>
Accepted then retracted is never a good sign. >>
It is if the alternative is that the guy accepts the offer, takes your money and doesn't deliver the coin.
And if the seller were a scammer, I agree with drfish, that he probably would have taken his money too, rather than retracting his acceptance of drfish's offer. Hopefully, this story will have a surprise, good ending.
<< <i>Regarding payment,I offered paypal.He accepted but wanted payment as a gift,I countered with payment with paypal +$30 as I always use a credit card just in case the deal goes bad. >>
Can we deduce from that the reason he didn't try to take your money ? I suspect we can.
Anyway my post only was meant to warn others about Henson4. I paid a total of $980 using a credit card via Paypal, so worst case, this is what I am out. Unfortunately it was thru the gift payment system, something I was always leary of, but I went against my better judgement with this transaction, and now am paying an expensive lesson. I realize paypal will do nothing to help me in my case, but I can play the "chargeback card". I just may do that but have decided to give the guy another week to see if maybe, just maybe, he will come around and do the right thing. So we'll see. Anyway, to all buyers that decide to use the gift payment option that Paypal provides, you are SOL when it comes to any problems that may arise. As a seller, I will never offer that option, and 3% that Paypal charges is reasonable and it doesn't make you look "greedy" to a potential buyer's eyes.
<< <i>...but I can play the "chargeback card". >>
This is the part I don't understand. If the seller mandated PayPal "gift", I'd walk. It makes no sense to use a CC, pay the fees, and then use the "gift" option. If you're paying the fees, use regular PayPal where you are protected both by the CC and PayPal.
<< <i>This is the part I don't understand. If the seller mandated PayPal "gift", I'd walk. It makes no sense to use a CC, pay the fees, and then use the "gift" option. If you're paying the fees, use regular PayPal where you are protected both by the CC and PayPal. >>
Yeah, like I said, it was against my better judgement. I should have just walked. I assumed the seller wanted to "save" 3% with the deal and accepted a fair counteroffer, but I still wanted some type of CC protection. Either way, you are right, and I will not put myself in this situation with "gift payments" again, that's for sure.
<< <i>Yeah, like I said, it was against my better judgement. I should have just walked. I assumed the seller wanted to "save" 3% with the deal and accepted a fair counteroffer, but I still wanted some type of CC protection. Either way, you are right, and I will not put myself in this situation with "gift payments" again, that's for sure. >>
I see. This seller said PayPal Gift only or no deal. That is not a good sign, but you've obviously come to that conclusion by now.
I understand the seller not wanting to get hit with the fees, that makes sense. In the future, add 3% to the the amount due and use regular PayPal unless you're very comfortable with the seller.
PayPal will likely not accept the chargeback from your CC. You can try but since it's a "gift", there's little hope except the seller delivering.
<< <i>You can try but since it's a "gift", there's little hope except the seller delivering. >>
Well there's also always hope I can get this scumbag's address and, if he is anywhere within a day or two distance, I can pay him a surprise visit someday.
he is willing to screw me/you too.
<< <i>Once a guy demands the gift option that shows me he is shady and if he is willing to screw PP
he is willing to screw me/you too. >>
He didn't demand anything. No one put a gun to my head. I could have just walked. There are a number of good sellers on the BST that request gift payments, but it is ultimately up to the buyer whether to accept it or not. I didnt inquire about paying via money order, which if he accepted and didn't deliver, could have constituted an open and shut case of mail fraud. So I opened myself up to a potential problem that unfortunately materialized, and Henson4 is still a scumbag in my book for deceiving and stealing from me.
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<< <i>...but I can play the "chargeback card". >>
This is the part I don't understand. If the seller mandated PayPal "gift", I'd walk. It makes no sense to use a CC, pay the fees, and then use the "gift" option. If you're paying the fees, use regular PayPal where you are protected both by the CC and PayPal. >>
Does using the gift option mean that you forfeit any recourse through your CC company? If your CC company does a chargeback, who is first in line to get hit, PP or the seller?