Any Vintage Parkhurst Hockey Experts Here?
gemint
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If so, I need your opinion. I've graded over ten thousand baseball cards with PSA over the years but never hockey. I came across a few sharp '62 Parkhurst cards and thought I'd submit them. Needless to say the grades were way lower than I expected. Corners are razor sharp under 10x magnification. Do they downgrade them for toning on the reverse? They don't do so for baseball. Even if they do, 6.5 is pretty harsh for an otherwise mint card. Any feedback is appreciated. Was it just a bad grader?
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<< <i>I have to agree. Those cards are beauties and look like 8's. Maybe the grader you got was in a bad mood? >>
Thanks. I do have complaints about the grader I got. Overgraded some and massively undergraded others. I particularly like the '73 Carew that was a high end 8 I cracked and resubbed only to get a 7.
<< <i>PSA does not downgrade Parkhurst cards for moderate toning, such as your examples. If there aren't any wrinkles on the front or back surface, then the cards should be 8's or higher, especially the Duff. Great cards!
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Thanks for the feedback. Could not detect surface flaws on either card. In any event, a wrinkle would downgrade to a 6 at best. The only other potential liability for the Gadsby is less than ideal centering, but certainly good enough for an 8.
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from time to time over the years i've noticed oddities within the grading parameters, but in recent months it seems they've gone super technical on even almost imperceptible faults, which still lower a card by at least a grade, leaving me with a few head-scratch PSA 6s & 7s.....conversely, i still won't argue over the surprise PSA 8 or 9 when i thought differently.
i'm not the only one who has noticed this, i've discussed it with another big submitter here, and i still also wonder if "speed-grading" to accomodate the heavy amount of special orders doesn't also play a big role.
as for the 2 cards posted here, i will attribute grades to the Gadsby for centering and the Duff for the faded black strip containing the card number and sig.
in the speed-grade world, those features by themselves drag everything else down.
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as for the 2 cards posted here, i will attribute grades to the Gadsby for centering and the Duff for the faded black strip containing the card number and sig.
in the speed-grade world, those features by themselves drag everything else down. >>
That would be too bad if that's what downgraded the Duff. I was contemplating purchasing a PSA 8 1961 Mantle that was Minty looking (like my Duff) but had a faded and snowy background which likely downgraded it from a 9 to an 8. I think knocking that card down 2.5 grades for slighly faded print is excessive.
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as for the 2 cards posted here, i will attribute grades to the Gadsby for centering and the Duff for the faded black strip containing the card number and sig.
in the speed-grade world, those features by themselves drag everything else down. >>
That would be too bad if that's what downgraded the Duff. I was contemplating purchasing a PSA 8 1961 Mantle that was Minty looking (like my Duff) but had a faded and snowy background which likely downgraded it from a 9 to an 8. I think knocking that card down 2.5 grades for slighly faded print is excessive. >>
it was only a guess, but kind of in the sense that i just took a quick glance at it.....what if the grader judged it the same way? we know that's not supposed to happen.
i even went to eBay after my first post and looked for comparable cards in PSA holders......that black strip might be part of the equation, but there must be something else they saw as well.