John Smoltz question...
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first is he a for sure HOF'er???? second what would be considered his rookie card?
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CDsNuts, 1/9/15
What year would Smoltz first year eligible be - I'm sure some other big names are coming up like Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, and others from the 90's-00's.
Eligible for 2012 Baseball Hall of Fame: Bernie Williams, Tim Salmon, Brad Radke, Javy Lopez, Edgardo Alfonzo, Ruben Sierra, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Jeff Fassero, Joe Randa, Jeromy Burnitz, Eric Young, Brian Jordan, Bill Mueller, Matt Lawton, Jose Hernandez, Phil Nevin, Alex S. Gonzalez, Pedro Astacio, Carl Everett, David Bell, Rick Helling, Jose Vizcaino, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Danny Graves, Dustin Hermanson
Eligible for 2013 Baseball Hall of Fame: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker
Eligible for 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame: Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Mike Mussina, Pedro Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Jeff Kent, Luis Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers, Ray Durham, Moises Alou, Richie Sexson, Shannon Stewart, Armando Benitez, Steve Trachsel, Mike Timlin, Keith Foulke, Todd Jones, Mark Grudzielanek, Esteban Loaiza, Freddy Garcia, Jon Lieber, Damion Easley, Trot Nixon, Jacque Jones, Hideo Nomo, J.T. Snow, Jose Vidro, Matt Morris, Jay Payton, Paul Lo Duca, Jose Cruz Jr., Eric Gagne, Paul Byrd, Sean Casey, Scott Hatteberg
2015: Nomar Garciaparra, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz
2016: Brad Ausmus, Ken Griffey Jr., Trevor Hoffman
Eligible for 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame: Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Mike Mussina, Pedro Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Jeff Kent, Luis Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers, Ray Durham, Moises Alou, Richie Sexson, Shannon Stewart, Armando Benitez, Steve Trachsel, Mike Timlin, Keith Foulke, Todd Jones, Mark Grudzielanek, Esteban Loaiza, Freddy Garcia, Jon Lieber, Damion Easley, Trot Nixon, Jacque Jones, Hideo Nomo, J.T. Snow, Jose Vidro, Matt Morris, Jay Payton, Paul Lo Duca, Jose Cruz Jr., Eric Gagne, Paul Byrd, Sean Casey, Scott Hatteberg
Didn't Edmonds play last year?
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
But his career is very similar to Eck's in my opinion
His first ML card is the 88 Fleer update. If you only collect Topps then yes, the 1989 Topps.
Just this week, I was shocked to get back 2 signed cards from Smoltz. He return rate is very low. There have been questions if his autos in the mail are autopen or not but mine definitely are not because they are not exactly the same. 88 Fleer Update and 89 UD
<< <i>Eligible for 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame: Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Mike Mussina, Pedro Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Jeff Kent, Luis Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers, Ray Durham, Moises Alou, Richie Sexson, Shannon Stewart, Armando Benitez, Steve Trachsel, Mike Timlin, Keith Foulke, Todd Jones, Mark Grudzielanek, Esteban Loaiza, Freddy Garcia, Jon Lieber, Damion Easley, Trot Nixon, Jacque Jones, Hideo Nomo, J.T. Snow, Jose Vidro, Matt Morris, Jay Payton, Paul Lo Duca, Jose Cruz Jr., Eric Gagne, Paul Byrd, Sean Casey, Scott Hatteberg >>
Shouldn't Randy Johnson be eligible in 2014? He did not pitch in 2010, so 5 years would be 2014, no? And Jim Edmonds, Grudzielanek, Freddy Garcia and Jay Payton played in 2010, so they shouldn't be on the list for 2014.
Q: What player's team won 73 straight games that he played in?
A: John Smoltz. The Braves won in his last 49 appearances of '02, and his first 24 appearances of '03.
<< <i>I also think he'll get in, perhaps not on first ballot depending on who else is eligible that year
But his career is very similar to Eck's in my opinion >>
do all 3 of these guys go in together... Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz
Oh, Pedro will get in the HOF .. the same way you and I will ... $25 at the front door. LOL
Smoltz will be elected into the HOF; and I would go with the '89 UD.
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<< <i>Pedro will never be in the HOF >>
How can you say he never gets in... all other pitchers with 3,000+ K's are in the HOF or will be.
G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L P/GS WHIP BAA ERA
Career 409 46 17 2827.1 2221 1006 919 239 760 3154 219 100 43.2 1.05 .214 2.93
Nevermind the Ks...he has 219 wins to 100 losses. A whip just over 1 and an era under 3. He dominated for 8 seasons (with on injury lost season in the 9 year stretch) and has 3 CY young awards. He is a HOF
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<< <i>Pedro will never be in the HOF >>
Are you joking?
3-time CY Young, 2-time runner up, and a 3rd place finish
In other words, he was dominant for about 10 years
He led the league in ERA five times and in WHIP six times
And a career ERA under 3 for a modern pitcher is pretty incredible
He gets in first ballot
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<< <i>Pedro will never be in the HOF >>
Are you joking?
3-time CY Young, 2-time runner up, and a 3rd place finish
In other words, he was dominant for about 10 years
He led the league in ERA five times and in WHIP six times
And a career ERA under 3 for a modern pitcher is pretty incredible
He gets in first ballot >>
you my man are CORRECT!!!!!
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<< <i>Another great Smoltz rookie is his 1989 Bowman Tiffany.
mathew >>
Not sure which card I like better...
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Eligible for 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame: Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Mike Mussina, Pedro Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Jeff Kent, Luis Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers, Ray Durham, Moises Alou, Richie Sexson, Shannon Stewart, Armando Benitez, Steve Trachsel, Mike Timlin, Keith Foulke, Todd Jones, Mark Grudzielanek, Esteban Loaiza, Freddy Garcia, Jon Lieber, Damion Easley, Trot Nixon, Jacque Jones, Hideo Nomo, J.T. Snow, Jose Vidro, Matt Morris, Jay Payton, Paul Lo Duca, Jose Cruz Jr., Eric Gagne, Paul Byrd, Sean Casey, Scott Hatteberg
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As for Pedro, I say he's a HOF'er as well. His 2000 season was quite possibly the best pitcher season of the last 40 years, maybe ever. He had an ERA of 1.74 against a league ERA of 4.91. Nearly 12Ks per 9 innings. While pitching in Fenway. His ERA+ of 291 is the best of all-time (ignoring Tim Keefe's 295 in 1880). By contrast, Bob Gibson's was "only" 258 during his 1968 season. Pedro had a 9-year run where he was legitimately great, sometimes (1999/2000) all-time great. 8-time All-Star. 3-time Cy Young winner. 2 top-5 MVP finishes.
The only knock on Pedro is his durability and the resulting total of "only" 219 wins. I get that. But...
I hate it when guys do this kind of comparison so let me be clear: I am NOT saying "If so-and-so is in, so should Pedro be". Pedro's career numbers are similar to Whitey Ford - similar win%, similar win totals (though Whitey had 236 vs 219), similar ERAs (2.75 vs 2.93) and so on. No one complains about Whitey being in the HOF. So why complain about Pedro when he was far more dominant?
He absolutely is a HOF'er.
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<< <i>Anyone who states that Pedro Martinez shouldn't make the Hall of Fame doesn't know much about baseball. >>
Yeah, thats right, I know nothing about baseball
Player ------------IP------CWS------CV-----CAWS
Addie Joss-----2327-----191------191------191
Sandy Koufax-2324-----194------190------191
Hoyt Wilhelm--2254-----256------168------190
Mo Rivera------1090-----227------175------188
R.Gossage ----1809-----223------173------186
Dizzy Dean----1967-----181------180------180
Pedro Martinez--2297--224------200------ 206
For reference Pedro's top peers are Maddux at 284, Randy Johnson is at 256, Roider Clemens is at 303 CAWS respectively.
So it's a fair question to ask, but Pedro's peak puts him right there with Koufax, and since Koufax is in, so is Pedro.
<< <i>Pedro will never be in the HOF >>
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<< <i>Anyone who states that Pedro Martinez shouldn't make the Hall of Fame doesn't know much about baseball. >>
Yeah, thats right, I know nothing about baseball
It's one thing to say that a player could be a marginal HOFer, but to say that one of the best and most dominant pitchers of all-time shouldn't be a Hall of Famer at all is literally laughable. I wouldn't hesitate to say that what you said is literally funny to most people with knowledge of baseball.
As for Pedro Martinez, he is one of the most dominant pitchers of all time. No-brainer first-ballot HOF'er. If you don't think so, you know nothing about baseball and shouldn't be commenting on it in a public forum.