jordan fleer rookie ksa 10

mippy · January 23, 2011 2:35PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180613155039&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Does this card look too good to be true? Based on the scans, the centering, corners, and edges look perfect. But if it's perfect, why wouldn't the seller crack and submit to psa? I mean, a psa 10 is worth about 6000, three times the winning bid. What kind of seller would leave that much money on the table? I placed a bid of 1500 thinking I would win. Did I just miss out on a great deal or did I dodge a bullet? The only flaw I can think of is that the card might be sheet cut. Any thoughts?

vladguerrero · January 23, 2011 2:50PM

look at the player name position and team print, i say the card is bogus...

hammered · January 23, 2011 3:02PM

It looks like a legitimate card that has poor registration, and for that reason would likely grade 9 by PSA. That could be why it's in a KSA holder.

divecchia · January 23, 2011 4:16PM

Link to auction

It's hard to tell from the scan if it's legit or not.

Donato

Sean1125 · January 23, 2011 10:27PM

The seller has the scans just high enough resolution to call it "high res" but just low enough that any distinguishing parts can't be made out.

ShootyBabitt · January 23, 2011 10:58PM

He has feedback (as a buyer) from a guy who sold this:

REPRINT

I'd say that you dodged a bullet.

mippy · January 24, 2011 8:07AM

<< <i>It looks like a legitimate card that has poor registration, and for that reason would likely grade 9 by PSA. That could be why it's in a KSA holder. >>

legitimate card that has a poor registration? what do you mean?
anyhow, so the concensus is that I dodged a bullet by not winning huh? I feel bad for the winning bidder though. Hopefully, he'll examine the card closely once he receives it. I think this card is legit though. I know ksa is not as strict as psa,sgc, or beckett, but they will not slab a fake jordan. it's just a matter of it being a sheet cut or not, imho.

al032184 · January 24, 2011 8:18AM

Are you the private feedback bidder? Auction doesn't look good, and I don't like the looks of the card.

mippy · January 24, 2011 8:25AM

<< <i>Are you the private feedback bidder? Auction doesn't look good, and I don't like the looks of the card. >>

no im the bidder with 95 feedback score. but yeah i agree with you that the auction doesn't look good. it looks like the private fb bidder is the shill as the seller has a lot of transactions with private feedback. im not sure i can agree with you about the looks of the card though. is there something you see that i dont?

Toro · January 24, 2011 8:35AM

Gentlemen, let's go back to the OP's previous opinion, who WOULDN"T pay $35 to resub a card that could potentially be worth $6000......now see what a PSA 9....or more like a PSA 7.5 goes for.....

al032184 · January 24, 2011 8:37AM

The registration is bad, which means that the borders are not inline with the pictures, you can see it on the close-ups (can't think of how to describe it). Also, the edges don't look too good, at least not from the pictures he took. If the card is legit, it would definitely not be a PSA 10.

vladguerrero · January 24, 2011 8:50AM

Okay I did the work!...

It's enough to keep me away...

mippy · January 24, 2011 10:08AM

cool it looks like i dodged a bullet then. so this is what it's meant when ppl say bad registration?

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · January 24, 2011 2:55PM

Bad registration- Basically out of focus or offset.

The front of the card -
1. The Fleer Logo - The easiest thing to spot with the naked eye, though not a guarantee so look at other things as well.
A. The turn-down on the banner should be a darker orange color than the yellow part that "Premier" is printed in. There are fakes with a darker orange so use other guidelines as
well.
B. Also notice the red crown...on the real card the points are quite sharp, the word "Fleer" is more sharp and doesn't seem to have the fuzzy edges it also is a different font. The
real one is quite sharp with sharp corners on the letters vs a more "bubble-like" font. The color is also a bolder red.

2. The red and blue color on the border should have a definite separation. Notice the fake card has a "blurry" effect. Also notice how deep the color is on the real card and how bold the colors are.

3. The "Chicago" on MJ's jersey - Notice how blurry the Chicago is, it's sometimes noticed on the fakes that the dot over the letter "i" looks attached to the name as opposed tot he real card where there is a noticeable separation. it also will appear that the loop in the letter "o" is closed off

4. The Nameplate - Notice the difference in the color blue here. almost a dark blue vs. a baby blue.
You'll also notice that the name, team, position all is more "blurry" than a real card. The font looks more "bubbly" on the fake than on the real card and the corners on the letters aren't near as sharp on the counterfeit. (similar to the "Fleer Crown in #1A)

5. The black borders - This same technique, will work on all but the most sophisticated counterfeits. If you have a loupe/magnifying glass, take a look at the black printed lines. In printing, ink is laid on a plate and then put onto the stock, it is not "printed in dots" like most consumer printers do it. (dot-matrix/bubble-jet).
What you will notice under magnification (see the beckett article for a good example of this) is that the black line is not a solid black line, but rather a bunch of small black dots put together to make line. If it's not solid, it's a print and therefore, it's a fake. A 100% dead giveaway.

On to the back of the card - just in case you're still not convinced it's real or fake.
6. The Bulls Eyes-On the real card, you can see the separation between red and white..the bulls eyes on a genuine card, will be "open". You may need a loupe to see it definitively, but there should be a white pupil in the logo.

7. The back coloring - notice how pink the back is on the real card, vs a more faded pink, almost peach color on the counterfeit. This is true on the top half as well. bold red vs. faded almost pink color.

8. The copyright (C) and restrictred (R) trademark logos - On the real card, the (R) and (C) should stay entirely in the pink at the bottom of the card and the (C) should align with the text "1986 Fleer ..." On the fake, the (R) is half on the pink, half in the white border. On many fakes, not this one though, the (C) will be half off as well, similar to the (R)

9. NBA Properties Logo - You should be able to read the text "NBA" and the text around the ball with the naked eye. On the fake, it's a blur that just sorta looks like the logo, but it's not readable.

10. The Fleer Crown again - notice the font of the word fleer, you can also make out the (R) that was printed on the real card, the word fleer also stands out against the blue crown vs being a very weak presentation on the fake.

FAKE

REAL

Add "Counterfeit" to your title.

bobbyw8469 · January 24, 2011 7:56PM

What a great Jordan tutorial!

Mdube16 · January 25, 2011 2:58AM

Ill be saving this thread. Great work!

Blacklabelsociety · January 25, 2011 4:44AM

so, ksa graded a reprint? lol

brendanb438 · January 25, 2011 7:08AM

The pictures are still so shiatty can anyone say that it is indeed a fake?

I lean towards a fake also.

vladguerrero · January 25, 2011 8:26AM

I went to post a pic of the back of the KSA card and Ebay has pulled the auction from their database...

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · January 25, 2011 8:32AM

<< <i>The pictures are still so shiatty can anyone say that it is indeed a fake?

I lean towards a fake also. >>

I'd put everything on it being a fake. Missing the 2 black horizontal lines on the color bars in border, card is the wrong color.....

mtcards · January 26, 2011 12:49PM

To me the fuzzy name is the biggest giveaway. I have had four Jordan RC's brought into my store and three of the four were fake and I spotted it immediately by the name being fuzzy. The other was real as it was already graded by PSA

jordan fleer rookie ksa 10

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