71 Topps grades available/advice on recolored cards

jrboles

My 71 grades came in yesterday. Pretty standard and grades are below. A couple of the recolored cards are still in my "need to leave feedback" bucket in ebay. What do you guys do in such situations? I'll probably contact the vendors before hand to get an explanation/refund. However for the 71 set, is this simply the cost of collecting a graded set?

NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 23 OSCAR GAMBLE
N3: EVIDENCE OF RECOLORATION 1971 TOPPS 26 BERT BLYLEVEN
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 30 PHIL NIEKRO
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 36 DEAN CHANCE
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 37 RICH McKINNEY
NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1971 TOPPS 42 BOOTS DAY
NEAR MINT 7 1 1971 TOPPS 49 DON MONEY
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 61 AL BATTING LEADERS JOHNSON/YASTRZEMSKI/OLIVA
N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1971 TOPPS 118 COOKIE ROJAS
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 124 DON GULLETT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 153 GARY ROSS
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 205 GERRY MOSES
N3: EVIDENCE OF RECOLORATION 1971 TOPPS 230 WILLIE STARGELL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 231 INDIANS ROOKIES V.COLBERT/J.LOWENSTEIN
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 276 GIANTS ROOKIES M.DAVISON/G.FOSTER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 346 LUM HARRIS
VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1971 TOPPS 385 MAURY WILLS
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 395 ROY WHITE
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 392 GRANT JACKSON
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 404 ASTROS ROOKIES B.HARRIS/R.METZGER
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 419 RON HANSEN
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 433 SKIP LOCKWOOD
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 436 WILBUR WOOD
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 437 DANNY MURTAUGH
N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1971 TOPPS 447 CESAR GERONIMO
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 471 TOM GRIFFIN
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 500 JIM PERRY
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 518 JOE GRZENDA
N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1971 TOPPS 521 LERON LEE
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 537 TOM EGAN
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 561 SYD O'BRIEN
EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1971 TOPPS 563 GIANTS TEAM
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 585 WILLIE DAVIS
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 592 RANDY HUNDLEY
N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1971 TOPPS 598 RICK WISE
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 600 WILLIE MAYS
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 602 MARTY MARTINEZ
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 607 PAUL RATLIFF
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 610 AMOS OTIS
N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1971 TOPPS 620 FRANK HOWARD
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 621 RON BRYANT
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 638 STAN WILLIAMS
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 657 JOSE AZCUE
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 659 BYRON BROWNE
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 679 DON O'RILEY
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 692 A.L. PITCHERS HAYDEL/MORET/TWITCHELL
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 712 JOSE MARTINEZ
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 TOPPS 714 DICK WILLIAMS
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 725 GARY GENTRY
N3: EVIDENCE OF RECOLORATION 1971 TOPPS 735 MIKE SHANNON
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 739 BARRY LERSCH
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 743 JOHN O'DONOGHUE
NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 744 CHUCK MANUEL
N3: EVIDENCE OF RECOLORATION 1971 TOPPS 746 ANDY KOSCO
EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1971 TOPPS 751 AL WEIS

yankeeno7

out of curiosity, who was the seller

jeffcbay

I would go ahead and give Waverly his justified negs. I'm just taking a stab in the dark.

jrboles

Wasn't waverly. The Shannon was from a dealer with over 6000 positive and 100%. Also, the Gentry, Lersch, Manual, and the Batting Leaders were bought from him. He gets full benefit of doubt.

Kosco - came in a 30 card lot

Gotta dig on Stargell and Blyleven. Blyleven was a single card purchase (and second time I submitted).

bbuckner22

I'd contact the seller to see what he could do for you. Chances are good that he had no idea of the cards being re-colored. He may have bought the set in good faith and got taken himself. Some of these guys who alter 71's (not naming any names except for Waverly) are pretty good at it. I've also re-subbed plenty of "minimum size" or "evidence of trimming" 71's and had them grade the next time.

hammered

<< <i>Wasn't waverly. The Shannon was from a dealer with over 6000 positive and 100%. Also, the Gentry, Lersch, Manual, and the Batting Leaders were bought from him. He gets full benefit of doubt.

Kosco - came in a 30 card lot

Gotta dig on Stargell and Blyleven. Blyleven was a single card purchase (and second time I submitted). >>





Par for the course on 71s, especially if they come from many different sources. I personally don't believe experienced dealers sell high grade hi#'s raw unless they know they are recolored, just my opinion.

itzagoner

a personal perspective on '71 Topps baseball:

first of all, i can't stand submitting this issue to PSA anymore, and it took me a long time to figure this stuff out.

back in '05 i subbed a few hundred of these and a few dozen came back EOR.....i shrugged my shoulders and buried the cards since i had a lot of graded ones to sell.

more recently, i got curious, particularly after reading about the experiences of others with these cards, so i pulled out a stack of offenders and a loupe.

anyone care to guess what i found? ok. nothing.

of course, the horse was long gone from the barn, so it didn't really make sense to bish and moan about it.

the handful of cards i sent in for grading last year all got slabbed.....the ones i felt didn't warrant the 2nd try got sold raw.

i don't believe for a second that anyone in the grading room is going to sit there with a loop and inspect each and every card.....the blacklight? yeah it can detect alterations, but it might visually create them, too.

i can't stand this set. i won't say hate................oops.

just said it.

jrboles

Thanks for the responses. Now that my membership is up I'll be submitting to SGC for awhile and will probably put the recolored and minimum size ones through- for research's sake. Will let you know how that turns out.

I read the $4 poppage post and didn't know the first three numbers pertained to the grader. I had 177 as well (thru 17729797).

bking

<< <i>Thanks for the responses. Now that my membership is up I'll be submitting to SGC for awhile and will probably put the recolored and minimum size ones through- for research's sake. Will let you know how that turns out.

I read the $4 poppage post and didn't know the first three numbers pertained to the grader. I had 177 as well (thru 17729797). >>



No offense, but I don't believe those who say that's the grader. First of all, that's a lot of graders on staff to need three digits. Second, that only allows 99,999 cards per grader. Third, I don't think they would actually expose that sort of data in the cert #.

Think about it this way - we all believe that mixed subs take a lot longer to pop, yet they STILL have numbers in the same sequence, right? The only logical reason I can see for mixed subs taking longer is that more than one grader is involved, which shoots a massive hole in the grader# theory, doesn't it?

cardbender

Not to steal your thread, but I know a guy locally who bought an ENTIRE '71 Baseball set that was recolored. He bought it in the early 1990's and in person too.
He just didn't have a clue of what to look for on the corner/edges to detect the black marker. He got a great deal on it and now he knows why. Lesson learned.

It's a great looking, almost worthless set.

bxb

71s are notorious for recoloring.

Because the black borders are so fragile and susceptible to chipping, many cards over the years have been touched up with black magic marker.

You can't see these changes well with ordinary white light.