Question for the lawyers on the board regarding the LSAT (poppage page 3)
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I know this is OT, so mods feel free to delete, and I apologize to those that don't like OT posts. If you don't want to read further, just stop reading now and make your reply if you'd like or simply head to another thread, otherwise I'd like some feedback from those that have taken the LSAT.
I am considering signing up for the LSAT that is administered in June. If you've taken it, did you think it was hard? Did you do a lot of advance preparation or just go in with minimal preparation? I've seen a sample test online, and it looks like basic "logic" type questions. Is that pretty much the standard format for the LSAT?
I'm currently a CPA (and that was a hard test, at least for me), but am considering looking at going to law school on a part time basis. The LSAT is a pre-requisite it seems to attending any accredited law school. I haven't attended any sort of college since I graduated from Notre Dame in 1993, so my classroom and book skills are admittedly rusty.
I'd like to take the LSAT in June, with only a couple of weekends of prep in familiarizing myself with the type of questions on the exam. For those of you that have taken the exam, would you think that's sufficient if I generally have a somewhat "logical" way of thinking?
Keep in mind, I'm not shooting for admission to the top tier law schools, I'm looking to get into Texas Wesleyan or perhaps the University of North Texas in Dallas law school that will be opening up in a couple of years.
Mike
I am considering signing up for the LSAT that is administered in June. If you've taken it, did you think it was hard? Did you do a lot of advance preparation or just go in with minimal preparation? I've seen a sample test online, and it looks like basic "logic" type questions. Is that pretty much the standard format for the LSAT?
I'm currently a CPA (and that was a hard test, at least for me), but am considering looking at going to law school on a part time basis. The LSAT is a pre-requisite it seems to attending any accredited law school. I haven't attended any sort of college since I graduated from Notre Dame in 1993, so my classroom and book skills are admittedly rusty.
I'd like to take the LSAT in June, with only a couple of weekends of prep in familiarizing myself with the type of questions on the exam. For those of you that have taken the exam, would you think that's sufficient if I generally have a somewhat "logical" way of thinking?
Keep in mind, I'm not shooting for admission to the top tier law schools, I'm looking to get into Texas Wesleyan or perhaps the University of North Texas in Dallas law school that will be opening up in a couple of years.
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Good luck with the test. ALL I can say is that I find lawyers as the lowest
form of human life. That has come from many years of dealing with many different
lawyers. I hope you break the trend.
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since I only finished the 5th grade I don't even know what LSAT means. but Good luck on passing it.
<< <i>Mike
Good luck with the test. ALL I can say is that I find lawyers as the lowest
form of human life. That has come from many years of dealing with many different
lawyers. I hope you break the trend. >>
Hey quit talking about Doug
form of human life.
Until you need one, that is...
Do you feel the same way about bankers and insurance companies, too?
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As a Columbia graduate - and - now - 31 yrs as a dentist - I found that the DAT required some preparation.
I helped my girlfriend prepare for the LSAT - I would imagine today - there's plenty of prep books - also - if memory serves - the Kaplan institute has a prep course that may be helpful.
I found the prep exams to be interesting - and it would be invaluable for you to have some exposure to the test method before going in.
So - IMO - going in cold turkey may not be the way ta go since many if not "most" may have prepared.
One thing - I hope you're a good test taker and a fast reader - that'll help. I hate those kinds of tests - personally.
I am in the field of academia--lecturer of anthropology to be exact.
Any of those entrance exams, be it SAT, GMAT, GRE, MCAT, or LSAT require some preparation. At the very least, invest in a preparation book. Even a used one will work.
You need to take a full length test for practice and how to pace yourself. You also need to read about the exam and see how its divided up and what types of questions or writing is involved. Those things are all explained in a prep book. There may even be practice tests you can take online.
So, get a used prep book. Easy to find on ebay, craigslist, etc. Spend time reading it. Take practice tests then try a full length test. What I have learned from these entrance exams is pacing is really important. You won't know the pace until you do some practice tests. Spending a few hours over every weekend before the actual exam date is a good start.
Don't get fooled about how easy or straightforward the questions are. That may be the case, but you also have to be fast since its a timed exam. I have taken GREs many many times (not like the LSAT, but similiar in principle). Its not difficult in content alone, but when you are timed, it changes everything!
The medical school entrance exam, called the MCAT, had some pretty difficult questions no matter how much time they give you.
That is my 4 cents of advice. Mike the dentist corroborates what I have written.
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Also, I'm guessing based on your CPA background that you're interested in tax law? Just FYI, most tax attorneys that I know are encouraged to get an LLM in tax law after getting their JD. So, that may be another 2 years and $50k-100k right there.
If after all that you're still considering law school, then, yes, you should prepare for the LSAT. Honestly, a third/fourth tier law school will likely take your money no matter how low you score on the LSAT. But, if you want to try to get into a better law school or just get a higher score for your own benefit, preparation is important. As someone else already recommended, the key is pace and familiarity with the types of questions. You can purchase old prep books with practice questions, or go to the library and check out a bunch of different prep books. Then, take as many practice LSATs as you can under real time conditions.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
i took the LSAT about 15-16 years ago, i took a prep course but didn't do as much on my own studing as i should have. i did a lot more for the bar, very tough exam to get through, it was like a job studing 8-10 per day for a month and a half. i see getting into a law school is very tough now also, hard to get in hard to get out.
i think you might as well take the exam, study as much as you can and see what happens. it will be a long hard road of about 3-4 years but its an interesting ride.
good luck, if i can be of any help (what that could be i don't know) just let me know.
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That's an interesting point, especially since tort reform is likely to be a high priority with the upcoming Republican push for real health care reform.
International and trade law might be an interesting growing field as the world economy continues to intermingle...but I doubt if it will makeup for the loss of demand for "slip and fall" type lawyers if real health care reform takes place to reduce costs. I'm not anti-lawyer, but take a look at many of those lawyer ads in the phone book yellow pages, with the ads "shouting out" for everyone to sue each other, and it's quite repugnant to see what's going on out there with lawyers extorting money through the legal system.
Get a practice book. The Logic Games section is much easier once you figure out how to do it. If you didn't take a logic class in college, you'll want to brush up on the terminology. It's a challenging test, but doable.
I went back to law school in my 30s and finished law school not too long ago. So far, I love being a lawyer.
Good luck!
As far as the LSAT, be sure to get some practice tests so you are familiar with the test setup and the types of questions. Take a couple of timed tests and you should do fine. A CPA with an ND degree and an adequate LSAT score should have no problem getting into a tier two school or better. Kick ass on the LSAT and you should have your pick of the litter.
To be honest, if I had to do it all over again I probably would not have gone to Law School. As a matter of fact, I probably would never have gone to college. Right after High School (1976) I would have gotten a job on Wall Street as a gofer and worked my way up the ladder. I know a few people who did that and they have been retired (at a young age) for a few years and will never have a financial worry in their life.
Considering I took the LSATs over THIRTY YEARS ago (wow, I'm getting old) I don't know if I'm the right person to give advice on studying for them. I have no idea how much they have changed. I can tell you that I took the Kaplan study course and I know that it helped me on the test.
Shoot me a PM if you have ANY questions. I would be happy to discuss any aspect (taking the LSAT ... going to Law School ... practicing as an attorney) of the profession with you.
PS As Babbit said, there are so many different aspects of the law. Other than a few times some years ago, I have not stepped foot in a courtroom. I did obtain my LLM in Taxation after Law School, although I no longer do much tax work. My primary practice is real estate, probate and small business.
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1) I would never want to discourage anyone from furthering their education or advancing their career. But, I agree with what others have posted about being a lawyer is not all it's cracked up to be. Financially, it can be lucrative for some, but many more struggle. Read the NY Times article cited in an earlier post here. It depends on what you want to use the law degree for. Perhaps, it would be beneficial in your CPA profession.
2) If you want to do this, go ahead and take the LSAT. Get a book and then study it.
3) If you decide to go to law school and get accepted, go only to one that is already accredited. There are horror stories here in Kentucky about an unaccredited law school that opened, promised accreditation, and then closed a few years later, leaving many students without a degree and wondering where to turn.
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1) Take a prep class. Expensive one, cheap one, whatever, but take one.
2) Take as many practice exams as you can.
There's really no secret to it other than that, taking the practice exams will prepare you for it. It is perhaps the one and only thing about the LSAT that bears any resemblance to anything you'll do in law school. (Taking practice exams for the bar exam helps in the same way).
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Reading the books is a must but spending a much greater amount of time with actual prior questions is what has helped me and many others I have spoken too.
It sounds like your goals you just outlined require the passing of the exam and I say take it. Advancing your career can never hurt.
Good luck!
I served as a district court judge at one time, and IMO, at your age and assuming you feel you have a good chance at getting elected as county judge and then district judge, that would be a nice career move. Having served as a judge for 29 years and having practiced law a few short years before that, I believe that you would enjoy serving as a district court judge.
Politics is a strange animal. At this point, you believe you could be elected as a county judge and then, with a law degree, a district court judge. I wish you the best, but caution you that, as we all know, political winds can change and things can happen that change the political landscape. (My wife always accuses me of painting the most bleak picture of the way things can turn out. I can't help it.)
I took a bar exam prep course after law school, but I did not take a prep course for the LSAT. You should have some preparation, however, whether it be a class or taking practice tests or reading a LSAT prep book that can be found in bookstores.
Also, I would think that with your age and background, a law school would find you to be an attractive candidate for admission if your LSAT score is anywhere near average. Law schools seek diversity, and you would not be the typical "just out of college" candidate. Also, night law school would be a possibility. Admission to a law school that has a night division is usually easier than getting in the day division.
I wish you the best in whatever you do.
David (judgebuck)
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I had no idea what the LSAT was going to be about other than it was basically reading comprehension and there would be no math. I had always excelled at standardized testing.
I did very well on on the LSAT on my first try (more than enough to get into the state school I had in mind).
I also didn't realize how heavily the LSAT is weighted in law school admissions - truly its about all most schools care about. I was surprised about the amount of mail I started receiving from schools based on the test score, also based on the test score I got some unsolicited scholarship money from the state school I attended.
I would recommend test prep for that reason because a 3-5 point boost can really put you in a great position even if you are capable of passing muster without prep.
I think the logic questions were added to push more test prep classes as there are techniques to be learned and studied that will definetly help you knock those out in the short time frame alotted.
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Otherwise a really bad time to be becoming a lawyer though if you have an accounting background there is always a need for tax specialists because so few people feel comfortable putting their money where their mouth is as it relates to telling what clients to do with their assets.
Our economic system is forcing more people into the service industries (including lawyers) and hence their is a great downward pressure on salaries and generally a lack of jobs for law school graduates right now. My advice for people considering law school is that unless you know that you have a job or an oppurtunity waiting for you at a firm, might want to just consider doing something else and avoiding the $100,000 school debt.
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I've always been a firm believer in taking a test once, with no prep, just to gauge the level of preparation required to pass. I've done that since the SAT in high school, on up through graduate entrance exams and teaching certifications. Logic, working knowledge, and time management are, in my opinion, the keys to any standardized testing. I really dislike standardized testing because its "beatable." Essentially, the only thing that can't be faked is an essay, and even they can be fluffed a lot.
Nothing wrong with a practice test to familiarize one's self with the higher knowledge questioning styles.
To me the main thing is not going into debt for law school. I assume you will be going to night school and paying cash so that's not a concern for you.
One of my law partners was a CPA for 5 or 10 years and then went to law school. It has made for a good career for him doing estate and business planning. He also gets good respect from the CPAs who refer him a ton of cases.
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<< <i><<< The first thing I would recommend is that you really consider whether being a lawyer is the right move for your career. The market for lawyers is not what it used to be. >>>
That's an interesting point, especially since tort reform is likely to be a high priority with the upcoming Republican push for real health care reform.
International and trade law might be an interesting growing field as the world economy continues to intermingle...but I doubt if it will makeup for the loss of demand for "slip and fall" type lawyers if real health care reform takes place to reduce costs. I'm not anti-lawyer, but take a look at many of those lawyer ads in the phone book yellow pages, with the ads "shouting out" for everyone to sue each other, and it's quite repugnant to see what's going on out there with lawyers extorting money through the legal system. >>
<<< lawyers extorting money through the legal system >>>
Well, in my viewpoint, it's good to see that the forum consists of good lawyers who benefit society, and not the scumbag ambulance chasers who raise all sorts of costs for everyone - these costs are very high and something needs to be done about it. Perhaps such as introducing stronger laws whereby judges can rule in more types of frivolous lawsuits that losing plantiffs must pay for all court costs from the defendant, and possibly civil penalties against the defendant's lawyers.
For sure, the "hitting the lottery" aspect of certain types of lawyers flooding the courts with lawsuits, which except for their time and effort, costs them very little, but costs society as a whole a large fortune...something of which we can no longer afford. I don't think this needs to be explained further...most know what's happening out there...the key is politicians having the will to do something about the problem...and it is a horrendous problem.
Most lawyers are usually on the upper echelon of intelligence...in a nutshell, I wish most of them would become engineers instead of lawyers. Our country doesn't need more lawyers...we need our smart people to be involved in building up our country, not searching for ways to become parasites and sucking the financial blood out of it, tearing it down.
Interestingly who signs the "frivilous" law suits that these ambulance chasers file? Ohhhhhhhhhh, their non-lawyer clients! Interesting.
Seriously, as a lawyer who does not even practice in litigation you would be amazed what the non-lawyer clients come to me with. They are ready to sue for every last "injustice" and every last penny that they are "entitled" to. In my opinion the non-lawyers need to take some credit for the horrible legal system. Yes, lawyers got us here but the individuals perpetuate the problem!
Lawyers have a high need to be ethical and thus state bars crack down on unethical behavior. Thus the mis-deeds of a lawyer are made public more than in most other professions.
In my experience, again 17 years, lawyers are intelligent, professional, ethical and trying to represent their clients to the fullest. There are exceptions but that's any profession. If YOUR profession doesn't have any bad apples I would love to know what it is!
I've been back and forth on going into teaching or law, but when she was at the public defender's office I said to myself I could do that job and enjoy it too.
But to contribute to your question, my sister was a Kaplan LSAT instructor and she looked over a couple practice tests I took and gave feedback. The LSAT, for me, was pretty easy and I'm starting law school August 2012 part time due to the high tuition of my local school...
So, like others said, grab a Kaplan and get to studying
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<< <i>I should add that the comments on this thread and countless others about scumbag attorneys, ambulance chasers, attorney jokes, etc... are a downside to the practice. I know in my practice, by and large, the ethics/honesty issues tend to be few and far between and mostly with older attorneys but, obviously, not totally. Us "younger" attorneys (now in my 17th year) took ethics classes in law school, took a bar exam on ethics, and have state bars that really crack down on unethical behavior. However, there are still opportunistic "ambulance chasers" and other low lifes.
Interestingly who signs the "frivilous" law suits that these ambulance chasers file? Ohhhhhhhhhh, their non-lawyer clients! Interesting.
Seriously, as a lawyer who does not even practice in litigation you would be amazed what the non-lawyer clients come to me with. They are ready to sue for every last "injustice" and every last penny that they are "entitled" to. In my opinion the non-lawyers need to take some credit for the horrible legal system. Yes, lawyers got us here but the individuals perpetuate the problem!
Lawyers have a high need to be ethical and thus state bars crack down on unethical behavior. Thus the mis-deeds of a lawyer are made public more than in most other professions.
In my experience, again 17 years, lawyers are intelligent, professional, ethical and trying to represent their clients to the fullest. There are exceptions but that's any profession. If YOUR profession doesn't have any bad apples I would love to know what it is! >>
As stated - I am not anti-lawyer, and you're correct that it's the individual who has to initiate the lawsuit...but frankly it is quite disingenuous to basically "pretend" that lawyers who try to extort money through the legal system hardly exist. There are many of them...lots of them...just go through the phone book and they are easy to find, just notice the TV and radio ads and they are there. Yes they can't initiate a client lawsuit, but they can and they do influence and entice countless plaintiffs to sue...and you should know and fully understand that.
The worst incidents of this is in healthcare where medical costs are skyrocketing mainly because of defensive medicine. And yes, I've read the legal industry BS that only a small percentage of doctor expenses are related to actual lawsuits...that is so totally misleading it is almost beyond comprehension. It is the costs involved with doctors and patients involved in unnecessary tests and procedures to try to prevent lawsuits, and the massive paperwork involved therein. I used to work next store to a doctor - he told me that around 40% of his costs were geared towards preventing lawsuits which wasted his time, his office workers time, and of course their patients time and money...and it's getting worse...unless the new Republican leadership has the stones to do something about it...hopefully they will do something about it.
I've hijacked the thread enough and I apologize to Mike and wish him the best of luck - I'm sorry, but I felt like these points needed to be made and I shall not post further in this thread.
Good Luck Mike.
Steve
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Good Luck Mike.
Steve >>
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lawyers tend to cast a bad shadow over the good ones. I am like an abused animal when I think of lawyers since
they have left me wounded.
Mike stay focused - it sounds like you are on a great career path and the world needs more people like you!
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<< <i>I want to apologize for my earlier comments. I don't want to be an anti-lawyer and I know that the actions of a few
lawyers tend to cast a bad shadow over the good ones. I am like an abused animal when I think of lawyers since
they have left me wounded.
Mike stay focused - it sounds like you are on a great career path and the world needs more people like you! >>
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I agree. Also, I was about to start making broad generalizations of hockey fans without any scientific evidence to back them up!
1) Take a practice test. I forget if they release them, or the testing companies send in people to memorize the questions. But there are actual ex-LSATs out there that can be had to study off of. How well you do on these practice tests is an excellent indicator of how well you will do on the actual test. From my experience the variation between taking a practice test and the real thing is very minimal.
2) So with your score on the practic test you either decide you're well within the range you want to be in, or that you're going to have to work at it some. You should be able to get a fairly accurate range from the schools that you are interested in applying to.
3) If you decide to work at it, be aware of what's possible. To give you some estimations from my experience:
- 12-14 point increase: study 3-4 times/week @ 4 hours per study session over the course of 2 months. Take on the order of 10 practice exams
- 7-9 point increase: study 2 times/week @ 4 hours per study session over the course of 2 months. Take on the order of 6 practice exams
4) I saw some posts recomemnd a prep class. You don't really *need* this. There is some help from those classes with the ability to get feedback and ask questions, but the main thing they provide is the motivation to do the work. Most of us don't have the get up and go to succeed without some structure and that's what the class provides. That's a personal thing, but I'd rather spend my 1k class fee on a $20 book and Signed 51 Mays rookie
5) If you decide to go it alone, which sounds like you preferrence. Then buy any book (or whatever material) that contains old exams. There's several sections to the test (analytical games, reading comprehension, etc). I would suggest at least skimming the 'tricks' they offer on each section. Things like how to do active reading (marking up the important parts of the text), or ways to draw various diagrams for the games can help a lot. But focus most of your energy on whatever your weakest section is because that's really where you'll see the biggest gains.
6) Along the way, take lots and lots of practice tests. You will see you scores vary some but trend up as you put more effort into it. Hopefully crossing wherever it is you need to be.
7) If you need more tests or materials I could probably send you some. I think I have a fair collection of instructor prep material. But it's been about 9 years since it's been updated. I'm guessing you can get better material from the book store that's more up to date. But if that's not enough, let me know.
Let me know if you have any questions or need any help!
*Note - I did not become a lawyer so please don't hate on me other board members!
Just to add to the comments of some of the lawyers on here. Like many people, I have my own negatives when it comes to lawyers, but I know that everyone is an individual. In fact, one of the most generous persons I know is a lawyer who has helped me a great deal in the messes I have been.
In any case, I understand the part about certain lawsuits that drive the prices of everything else in society up. The medical field is a big mess in that regard. While I do not believe in taking away the patient advocacy resources, I know there is a lot of waste somewhere between the legal and medical field. I have my own painful stories and I have found no help whatsoever with medical malpractice cases--many lawyers simply stated that most end up losing, so they only take on straight forward cases (like the wrong limb cut off). Having the wrong limb cut off is something any educated person and an expert witness can present in front of a judge and win I would assume. Unnecessary tests being done just to avoid a lawsuit? I have experienced cases where not enough testing was done and the patient suffered. I think this whole medical-legal complex is not a clear undertaking of where there needs to be improvement, but there is definite waste. Sometimes there is over-testing, sometimes not enough diagnostics are performed, sometimes the doctor deliberately screws up and trys to cover up afterwards, etc.
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I hear ya! I know a lot of lawyers that cherry pick easy cases. I have one friend who takes tough cases and lives by the creed that if he takes a case he plans to take it all the way to trial. He has gotten at least two multi-million dollar judgements on casees many other lawyers refused. He does not do med-mal though. However, there are tough as nails attorneys out there who will fight for you. Just got to find them.
In terms of lawyers causing costs to increase there is no doubt. Even as a lawyer myself I waste a lot of time covering my own butt from a lawsuit! Sort of funny really!
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Perfect example of what the detractors get upset about. She's a nut, but likely SOMEONE is offering to take her case even if it's only for the publicity.
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As it is, I still ended up beating 82.9 percent of the other test takers so I think I'll be able to get into my lower tier choices, might even get a little scholarship money.
Mike
BTW, put me in the category that feels most are good but there are probably more bad apples in this group than other "professional" groups. Hell I am being sued by two people right now in frivolous attempts at cash grabs. Yes their clients had to sue but their counsel should slap them in the face instead of continuing to bill them :-)
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Mike, i wish i could borrow your time machine, it takes a guy like me to write the wrong year on my checks for several months after the new year but thats me im always looking for a way to go back in time,,, but i have to say this,, i now know why 98% of the guys in this forum dont even say hi to me, your either all lawyers or wanna be's, jeepers,, i know you will make an excellent people person lawyer so go for it,,, just an fyi though,, i picked the lawyer for my bankrupcy this past year because she had handicap parking, lolololololol,, ya a woman got me into the mess i was in and i over looked that fact and picked a woman lawyer to file because i could park closer to her front door,, lolololol, think about that one,, lolololol,, if you do become an attorney and do some pro bono work i'de like to discuss taking my ex and the state of massechusettes to court for their communist ways of dealing with child support, please!!
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