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Three Tim Lincecum autographed baseballs quick opinionated by an authenticating company...

TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
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I want to apologize for being redundant if these posts pop up all the time. If you are at all interested, please continue reading for I could use your help. I submitted three Tim Lincecum baseballs to an authentication company for Quick opinions. Two came back genuine, one likely not genuine. After these results, I questioned my own opinion, it still has not changed. Why would it? I think I could start my own business authenticating this guys sig after all the autographs I've looked at of his. I like the Quick opinion just for that sense of reassurance. I know these companies make mistakes, but I feel like they are making one in particular in this specific situation. Maybe you can see what it is. I have included three pictures of each. Which is likely genuine? Which is likely not? Or, are they all forgeries? Do you think they are all in fact real? If this interests you, I greatly thank you for commenting... Thoughts? Questions? Ideas? Here are Ebay listings for the items. If you are curious, I am personally listing them. I am doing an "experiment" if you will with authentication companies.

Ball #1 http://cgi.ebay.com/TIM-LINCECUM-SIGNED-OMLB-/150547153902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230d4f43ee#ht_500wt_973

Ball #2 http://cgi.ebay.com/TIM-LINCECUM-SIGNED-OMLB-/150547128131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230d4edf43#ht_500wt_973

Ball #3 http://cgi.ebay.com/TIM-LINCECUM-SIGNED-OMLB-/150547124078?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230d4ecf6e#ht_500wt_973
T.N.

Comments

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm fairly certain that it's against PSA's policy to post results to PSA/DNA Quick Opinions.

    Terms & Conditions #6

    QuickOpinion opinions are non-transferable, and Customer agrees to the following with respect to dissemination of any opinion Customer receives from QuickOpinion with respect to any item: (a) not to disclose QuickOpinion's opinion to any third party; (b) that QuickOpinion's opinions are confidential and may not be reproduced or distributed without PSA's express permission; (c) that eBay is authorized to remove any unauthorized disclosure of a QuickOpinion opinion from eBay's site.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Really? I wasn't aware. But out of consideration of them, I will go ahead and change my post a bit. Thanks! Your opinion is greatly appreciated!
    T.N.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Hope that helps.... If I may... I believe this company deletes listings they believe to be forgeries. I think it's great that they are trying to clean up Ebay, although I think it is a small step in the wrong direction but that's not what this post is about. Anyways, what happens if they make a mistake in judgement?
    T.N.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭
    I just wanted to be the first person to say,

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    My Dodgers Rookie Cards Project
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Are we all this jaded? A young collector can't ask advice of another collector's opinion? Wow. I hope nobody breaks a fingernail lifting a finger to help... BTW, it's not SPAM, I don't want to sell these baseballs. The point of the post is for opinions, observations, and maybe a little bit of thought. Maybe you didn't read it. And if you did, did you not realize how overpriced the items are? Please, please, please don't shoot that dog!!!
    T.N.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are we all this jaded? A young collector can't ask advice of another collector's opinion? Wow. I hope nobody breaks a fingernail lifting a finger to help... BTW, it's not SPAM, I don't want to sell these baseballs. The point of the post is for opinions, observations, and maybe a little bit of thought. Maybe you didn't read it. And if you did, did you not realize how overpriced the items are? Please, please, please don't shoot that dog!!! >>



    Ok, after reading your reply I will change my previous image to,
    image
    My Dodgers Rookie Cards Project
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,057 ✭✭
    Welcome to the boards first off. I don't know much about Lincecum's Autograph, and based on the pictures you have on your auctions, I think all three are real myself. I could see where PSA would come back and say the 3rd ball ($1000 listing) isnt real. If you want to send me a ball for further inspection, it would look really nice next to my Gaylord Perry ball. Both Giants of course. Good Luck image
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    OK, now this is getting comical. I don't see how you aren't getting this. I don't want to sell these baseballs.... I only put them on Ebay because the files were too big to upload. Go look at my profile on Ebay, I COLLECT, I have never SOLD a thing. A Tim Lincecum baseball is worth between 60 and 80 dollars. I have them listed at an unreal price. Think about it...
    T.N.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Hahaha Thanks for the welcome. I needed it... To say the least. I appreciate you taking a look at the baseballs. So it is clear to you that the third signature is in fact very different from the rest. I know you mentioned that you didn't know much about Tim's sig but if you get a chance to take a look, check out his 2007 Bowman Auto card. You may change your mind about the third ball. In fact, if you can find any item from that time period signed by him, you will be looking at a very different signature. One similar to what is on that third ball. Again, thank you for responding. BTW, Mr. Perry is soon to be in my display case. Great Giant.
    T.N.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭


    << <i>OK, now this is getting comical. I don't see how you aren't getting this. I don't want to sell these baseballs.... I only put them on Ebay because the files were too big to upload. Go look at my profile on Ebay, I COLLECT, I have never SOLD a thing. A Tim Lincecum baseball is worth between 60 and 80 dollars. I have them listed at an unreal price. Think about it... >>





    Well in all honesty, I personally felt your initial post was a spam, and I don't like how you listed the baseball even though you don't want to sell it. Seriously, I've seen tons of sellers on ebay who really do over price items they really want to sell and that's how I took your ebay auctions.

    That being said, the photos in your listings are not good enough to really get a good opinion IMO.

    Look at a recent Lincecum ball you purchased off ebay. The listing was a great example of a photo you can get good opinions on. Not saying you need a professional photo. Use a tripod and camera in a well lit room and use the Macro setting if you can.

    Does your ball on ebay look this ball you purchased?

    Here is the link to that auction,
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    BTW, welcome to the forums!
    My Dodgers Rookie Cards Project
  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭
    I am not sure on the Tim autos. I am not an auto expert.

    Only autos I own are ones I had signed in person so I know they are 100% real.

    I have sent in autos to authentication companies in the past. Funny because I have had some of the autos come back questionable (LOL). I know they are real. I saw the person sign it right in front of me. What is next? I have to video tape every signature to prove that it is real? It is just proof that nothing is 100% accurate... I have given up on having autos authenticated by any company...

  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Thank you! I wasn't sure you were gonna catch on. But I understand, I come across outlandish prices for items on Ebay all the time. I just ignore them now. Anyways, that is great advice!!! I did my best to get as much detail as possible. My camera just isn't very good. It does the job on an everyday basis so I don't feel the need to get a new camera just for this situation. But thanks for busting my balls earlier. and I appreciate your thoughts on the topic. Your point could very well be the reasoning behind what I feel was a mistake made by a reputable company...
    T.N.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    That's funny because I heard a story very similar. A guy had half his collection marked with a company's not authentic label or invisible pen because they thought they were forgeries when in fact the dude who submitted them got every autograph personally signed in front of him. He wanted to get it authenticated for his son, instead he got screwed. This is actually one reason I use quick opinion. I have baseballs that were obtained personally where I watched the player sign the ball and I submit those to quick opinion. AT the end of the day, it's not a guarantee but at least they are more likely to authenticate it after they deem it likely genuine. Better to have a signature with a likely not genuine tag than having a genuine autograph destroyed by a company making a mistake.
    T.N.
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    You'll be able to get better detail on closeups of small items by using the macro setting on your camera (the icon looks like a tulip)

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are we all this jaded? A young collector can't ask advice of another collector's opinion? Wow. I hope nobody breaks a fingernail lifting a finger to help... BTW, it's not SPAM, I don't want to sell these baseballs. The point of the post is for opinions, observations, and maybe a little bit of thought. Maybe you didn't read it. And if you did, did you not realize how overpriced the items are? Please, please, please don't shoot that dog!!! >>



    If you have absolutely zero interest in selling, probably should increase the BIN of this auction. Sure, a $500 BIN will probably scare most buyers but still...

    Also, you currently have four balls up for auction, not three.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    I know!!!! I accidentally listed the same ball. Oh well. I changed the pictures too so you can see them better. Hopefully this helps. Thanks again guys.
    T.N.
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>OK, now this is getting comical. I don't see how you aren't getting this. I don't want to sell these baseballs.... I only put them on Ebay because the files were too big to upload. Go look at my profile on Ebay, I COLLECT, I have never SOLD a thing. A Tim Lincecum baseball is worth between 60 and 80 dollars. I have them listed at an unreal price. Think about it... >>



    Why put them on ebay? There are plenty of free sites for hosting pictures. Why did you waste money by having Buy-It-Now prices?
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Thanks, I'll do that next time. Read the POST. Experiment... Can everyone do their best to go with what I'm asking instead of picking apart my process. Call it a case study and this is how it's set up. If you don't want to give an opinion, please ignore the post. You collectors are awesome at being cynical and jaded... This just turned into a group study! Thank you to those who have positively contributed, it has already helped...
    T.N.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks, I'll do that next time. Read the POST. Experiment... Can everyone do their best to go with what I'm asking instead of picking apart my process. Call it a case study and this is how it's set up. If you don't want to give an opinion, please ignore the post. You collectors are awesome at being cynical and jaded... This just turned into a group study! Thank you to those who have positively contributed, it has already helped... >>



    Considering you took the time to register the auctions with Mission Fish (proceeds go to charity) and write the following description, you don't understand why some people are skeptical?



    << <i>2007 ALL STAR OMLB signed by TIM LINCECUM. This is a really rare item. The only one on ebay. I don't want to get rid of it so that's why the price is so high. BUT if you are a Giants fan, Lincecum freak or just a collector, this ball really is priceless. So if you are feeling bold, bid on something that has the potential to increase significantly in value.... >>

    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    I had the most authentic Ripken Jr signature ever denied by psa saying it was fake. If they are PC what do you care so much what someone else "thinks"


    All psa/dna is.... is just that an opinion.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    Valid point. I figured if someone really did pay that much for the ball, I might as well share the money... I'm NOT a trying to sell these baseballs. A MLB authenticated Lincecum ball is at the most priced at 3 to 4 hundred. A PSA ball is between 125 and 300. My ball has no COA, it has no credibility. Get over it. I'm not trying to sell my baseballs. I'm trying to make a point. That point will become clear if people look at the signatures. But it seems like there are very few people on this site who like to THINK. REAL SIMPLE. Look at three baseballs. One is deemed fake, two deemed real. What do you think? All real? All fake? Elementary...

    Also, At the end of the day, I like to analyze signatures. At the same time, I have opinions about authenticators. Im curious to see if regular people can analyze an autograph like a credible company that certifies memorabilia. So far, I'm starting to realize that most collectors are kind of... "different..."

    as for me, I like to know of my signature is authentic, whether that be because I bought it from MLB, Steiner, UD, or whether I got it in person. Its nice to know.

    T.N.
  • TonyMixwellTonyMixwell Posts: 13
    That doesn't surprise me. This is what I am trying to avoid. I don't want my authentic baseballs marked as fakes when I authenticate them.
    T.N.
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