Why are people delusional? Or is it just how ebay has made it?

Sean1125

So I'm trying to buy some fairly priced cards (or what I thought to be fairly priced cards) on a different forum. I made an offer of about 30% of book on the cards (newer cards, so not so condition sensitive). The person proceeds to tell me that my offer is extremely low and he can list them on ebay and get 50% of book all day. I'm under the impression that the last 100 or so cards I've looked up on ebay sell for between 15-30% of book, in which you lose another 18% to ebay and paypal fees for cards under $50. So is it just me or has BIN's make it so people "know" they can get so much more for their cards - and then when the offer would be equivalent to a 50% on ebay offer they just don't understand the fees - or tend to ignore them?

CEOBIDMC

more details please

Sean1125

I saw trying to buy some peyton manning rookies at 30% of book and the moron proceeds to tell me that he will get 50 on ebay all day is what it boils down to. Rage post

chaz43

Wake up and smell the coffee.....dealers and sellers are tired of selling cards so cheaply...BIN's are here to stay and auctions will be fewer. chaz

bman90278

I'm not familiar with book prices, but you should be concerned about VCP or look at the current completed ebay sales prices. The going prices is what you need to worry about IMO. It is quite possible the seller isn't out of line. Many times I have sold things on ebay individually and gotten way more than someone buying them in a lot.


Good luck to you and hang in there!

Brian

Sean1125

I was offering on average $2 above ebay "auction" prices for the cards each.

Edit* It was only about 5 cards

OAKESY25

auction prices are the problem... they are not a good gage on what you can get for a card if you show time and patience..
just like a card shop.. those cards sit in the case until the right buyer comes along.. if the card shop had an auction..
he would sell his cards but most likely at much lower prices

I know that this won't be popular but it is an undisputed fact in my life

MeteoriteGuy

I think most could understand if someone doesn't want to sell Peyton Manning RCs at 30% book, I would likely try to get more, especially considering it is playoff time and the Colts are one of the better AFC teams in the mix.

If you did offer more then eBay....why not just go buy them on eBay.

CEOBIDMC

excellent points Meteoriteguy.

ndleo

There should be a disclaimer on ebay that says "Past auctions do not guarantee future results". Auctions are supposed to have random outcomes, so using past auctions as a strict rule on what you will pay is just as delusional as 707's prices.

Sean1125

The offer would average 2$ more than he would get with what I believe are ebay fees assuming he breaks even on shipping. For cards under $50 its like 12.5% or so, then the paypal fees (each card so an additional $1.20 +2.9%), then listing fees and I'm sure subtitle or bin or something... It adds up

KbKards

So I'm trying to buy some fairly priced cards (or what I thought to be fairly priced cards) on a different forum. I made an offer of about 30% of book on the cards (newer cards, so not so condition sensitive). The person proceeds to tell me that my offer is extremely low and he can list them on ebay and get 50% of book all day. I'm under the impression that the last 100 or so cards I've looked up on ebay sell for between 15-30% of book, in which you lose another 18% to ebay and paypal fees for cards under $50. So is it just me or has BIN's make it so people "know" they can get so much more for their cards - and then when the offer would be equivalent to a 50% on ebay offer they just don't understand the fees - or tend to ignore them?

Why would you offer 30% of book when you say they're available on Ebay for 15-30% of book?

Sean1125

I don't mean that in particular, I mean like some cards sell for 15-30, I didn't mean these in particular. I just got a message back that he would go 33% if I took care if shipping if that says how fair the offer is.

diamondman

not trying to change the subject, but i think this falls inline with the subject being discussed here.

If a dealer is willing to pay 100.00 for a card or a unopened box of cards.
What is a fair price for the dealer to sell this card or box for?

pays 100.00
sells for 150.00

or pays 100.00
sells for 105.00
these are just examples but what do you think is a fair price for the dealer to sell this item for? as I am with the OP that ebay has made people delusional.

WinPitcher

Of course it depends on the card or box.

But, if it's a card or box that is worth 100.00 wholesale I see NO problem
with a seller trying to get 150.00 for it.

Lets NOT fool ourselves here, anyone that sells on ebay wants max value for whatever item they are selling.

Anyone buying on ebay wants it as cheap as possible.

No one is delusional, not everyone values everything the same.

The trick is to get both sides into an agreement.

If the offer is too low, move on, if the item is priced too high, whine here about it.



Steve

cardbender

<< <i>Of course it depends on the card or box.

But, if it's a card or box that is worth 100.00 wholesale I see NO problem
with a seller trying to get 150.00 for it.

Lets NOT fool ourselves here, anyone that sells on ebay wants max value for whatever item they are selling.

Anyone buying on ebay wants it as cheap as possible.

No one is delusional, not everyone values everything the same.

The trick is to get both sides into an agreement.

If the offer is too low, move on, if the item is priced too high, whine here about it.



Steve



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Exactly.

Another factor to me is how long will you have to hold something
before making the sale. Using Diamondman's $100 buy for example:
if I pay $100 for an item, if I can flip it in one day or one week for $120-125, I flip it and move on to the next deal. If I have to hold that $100 item for several month's, I'm gonna want to make more $$ on it. Time is a large factor to me as a seller.