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How is Hines Ward not in this set?
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rexvos
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rexvos
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rexvos
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Just e-mail the Set Registry crew and they will send out a poll to all collectors of the set. Hines never got requested back when I was collecting the set. He's borderline if he belongs. He's got tons of catches, but his yardage and TD totals could be better based on the years of his playing career compared to others who have played during his career. 4 Pro Bowls is so-so for a WR, and 0 1st Team All-Pro's is a killer. The Super Bowl MVP of course is huge, and his blocking prowess a trump card. I'd probably vote him on, just my opinion.
Not sure how the vote would go for you. Later this week/early next week we will be voting on new additions to the Future HOF set. Hines is one of the nominees. I would suspect the voting here on the boards will be similar to what you would get from the WR set collectors. So if you want to wait a week or two you might have a better idea if it is worth a shot.
Just understand that if you request his addition now, and he doesn't get the votes, PSA won't likely be doing another poll to add for awhile.
Your call.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
jimmy smith is in with 12,287 yards, 862 catches and 67 TDs...14.25 yds/catch and a TD 7% of the time
hines ward has 11,702 yards, 954 catches and 83 TDs...12.26 yds/catch and a TD 8.7%.
others to think about then...
Reggie Wayne has 10,748 yards, 787 catches and 69 TDs...13.7 yds/catch and a TD 8.7%
Donald Driver has 9,615 yards, 698 catches and 53 TDs...13.77 yds/catch and a TD 7.5%
outside looking in due to injury
Sterling Sharpe had 8,134 yards, 595 catches and 65 TDs...13.7 yds/catch and a TD 10.9% 5X ProBowler, 3X First Team All Pro (going head to head against Rice, Brown, Carter)
for comparasions...on the extreme high end
Rice had 22,895 yards, 1,549 catches and 197 TDs....14.78 yds/catch and a TD 12.7% (rice played 303 games)
Hutson had 7991 yards, 488 cataches and 92 TDs...16.375 yda/catch and a TD 18.85% (that was only over 11 years but only 116 games, scored a receiving TD 80% of games played had 105 total TD's so scored a TD in 90.5% of games played).
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Rushers- 10,000 yards
Receivers- 12,000 yards
I have no idea if this is still followed. More than likely it isn't, but I'm just guessing.
Just wanted to show the reasoning behind Jimmy Smith being on the set as he was added after he eclipsed the 12,000 yards. If you notice, all 17 WR who have surpassed 12,000 yards are on the set. Same with rushers. Every single 10,000 yard plus guy is on the set, but to make it with LESS, player needs to be HOF caliber.
Now, that's not to say players with LESS than 12,000 yards can not be added to the WR set, because they can and have been. Michael Irvin, Don Maynard, Lance Alworth, Raymond Berry, Charley Taylor, Biletnikoff, etc, etc. But every single one of the players with less than 12,000 yards are HOFers. And Michael Irvin is the only modern passing game player on the list. So it's much tougher for current players to make the list under 12,000 when you have 17 others who have eclipsed 12,000 in the past decade or so.
My advice would be...Collect the Hines RC now. Wait until he gets 298 more yards. THEN request his addition to the set. You will have (likely) gotten the RC cheaper AND you can give Hines better odds of getting the poll votes. Cause right now, Derrick Mason has more yards...He is certainly NOT EVEN CLOSE to deserving of addition to the set as Hines, but does have more yards. And some guys are strictly STAT guys, who never watched Hines or Mason play more than what they saw on SporstCenter. Some believe that the stats tell the whole story rather than actually how well the player performed play-to-play. Just my opinion on one way to handle it.
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I appreciate the advice. Hopefulyl he gets in, because he belongs in that set.
Mike
Football Leaders & Football Records : Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Yds Years Teams
1. Terrell Owens (37) 15,934 1996-2010 5TM
2. Randy Moss (33) 14,858 1998-2010 4TM
3. Tony Gonzalez (34) 12,463 1997-2010 2TM
4. Derrick Mason (36) 11,891 1997-2010 2TM
5. Hines Ward (34) 11,702 1998-2010 pit
6. Joey Galloway (39) 10,950 1995-2010 5TM
7. Chad Ochocinco (32) 10,783 2001-2010 cin
8. Reggie Wayne (32) 10,748 2001-2010 clt
9. Donald Driver (35) 9,615 1999-2010 gnb
10. Andre Johnson (29) 9,164 2003-2010 htx
11. Steve Smith (31) 8,884 2001-2010 car
12. Santana Moss (31) 8,558 2001-2010 2TM
13. Anquan Boldin (30) 8,357 2003-2010 2TM
14. Larry Fitzgerald (27) 8,204 2004-2010 crd
15. Chris Chambers (32) 7,648 2001-2010 3TM
16. T.J. Houshmandzadeh (33) 7,091 2001-2010 3TM
17. Antonio Gates (30) 7,005 2003-2010 sdg
18. Jason Witten (28) 6,967 2003-2010 dal
19. Roddy White (29) 6,078 2005-2010 atl
20. Lee Evans (29) 5,934 2004-2010 buf
21. Deion Branch (31) 5,797 2002-2010 2TM
22. Jeremy Shockey (30) 5,689 2002-2010 2TM
23. Wes Welker (29) 5,657 2004-2010 3TM
24. Todd Heap (30) 5,492 2001-2010 rav
25. Greg Jennings (27) 5,222 2006-2010 gnb
26. Roy E. Williams (29) 5,208 2004-2010 2TM
27. Braylon Edwards (27) 5,142 2005-2010 2TM
28. Marques Colston (27) 5,096 2006-2010 nor
29. Brandon Marshall (26) 5,033 2006-2010 2TM
30. Alge Crumpler (33) 4,743 2001-2010 3TM
31. Jabar Gaffney (30) 4,675 2002-2010 3TM
32. Brandon Stokley (34) 4,673 1999-2010 4TM
33. Chris Cooley (28) 4,638 2004-2010 was
34. Santonio Holmes (26) 4,581 2006-2010 2TM
35. Dallas Clark (31) 4,535 2003-2010 clt
36. Jerricho Cotchery (28) 4,514 2004-2010 nyj
37. Antwaan Randle El (31) 4,467 2002-2010 2TM
38. Donte Stallworth (30) 4,465 2002-2010 5TM
39. LaDainian Tomlinson (31) 4,323 2001-2010 2TM
40. Randy McMichael (31) 4,217 2002-2010 3TM
41. Calvin Johnson (25) 4,191 2007-2010 det
42. Nate Burleson (29) 4,172 2003-2010 3TM
43. Kellen Winslow Jr. (27) 4,073 2004-2010 2TM
44. Bernard Berrian (30) 4,031 2004-2010 2TM
45. Brian Westbrook (31) 3,940 2002-2010 2TM
46. Bryant Johnson (29) 3,848 2003-2010 3TM
47. Brandon Lloyd (29) 3,818 2003-2010 4TM
48. Dwayne Bowe (26) 3,768 2007-2010 kan
49. Kevin Faulk (34) 3,667 1999-2010 nwe
50. Vincent Jackson (27) 3,648 2005-2010 sdg
<< <i>FYI, much like the All-Time Rushers set, this set also used to have a set minimum numbers that resulted in mandatory request for addition.
Rushers- 10,000 yards
Receivers- 12,000 yards
I have no idea if this is still followed. More than likely it isn't, but I'm just guessing.
Just wanted to show the reasoning behind Jimmy Smith being on the set as he was added after he eclipsed the 12,000 yards. If you notice, all 17 WR who have surpassed 12,000 yards are on the set. Same with rushers. Every single 10,000 yard plus guy is on the set, but to make it with LESS, player needs to be HOF caliber.
Now, that's not to say players with LESS than 12,000 yards can not be added to the WR set, because they can and have been. Michael Irvin, Don Maynard, Lance Alworth, Raymond Berry, Charley Taylor, Biletnikoff, etc, etc. But every single one of the players with less than 12,000 yards are HOFers. And Michael Irvin is the only modern passing game player on the list. So it's much tougher for current players to make the list under 12,000 when you have 17 others who have eclipsed 12,000 in the past decade or so.
My advice would be...Collect the Hines RC now. Wait until he gets 298 more yards. THEN request his addition to the set. You will have (likely) gotten the RC cheaper AND you can give Hines better odds of getting the poll votes. Cause right now, Derrick Mason has more yards...He is certainly NOT EVEN CLOSE to deserving of addition to the set as Hines, but does have more yards. And some guys are strictly STAT guys, who never watched Hines or Mason play more than what they saw on SporstCenter. Some believe that the stats tell the whole story rather than actually how well the player performed play-to-play. Just my opinion on one way to handle it. >>
I recently asked PSA about the addition of T.Jones as just passed 10,000 yards.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
<< <i>
I recently asked PSA about the addition of T.Jones as just passed 10,000 yards. >>
Are they running a poll or just adding with no poll?
Good luck with both additions.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>FYI, much like the All-Time Rushers set, this set also used to have a set minimum numbers that resulted in mandatory request for addition.
Rushers- 10,000 yards
Receivers- 12,000 yards
I have no idea if this is still followed. More than likely it isn't, but I'm just guessing.
Just wanted to show the reasoning behind Jimmy Smith being on the set as he was added after he eclipsed the 12,000 yards. If you notice, all 17 WR who have surpassed 12,000 yards are on the set. Same with rushers. Every single 10,000 yard plus guy is on the set, but to make it with LESS, player needs to be HOF caliber.
Now, that's not to say players with LESS than 12,000 yards can not be added to the WR set, because they can and have been. Michael Irvin, Don Maynard, Lance Alworth, Raymond Berry, Charley Taylor, Biletnikoff, etc, etc. But every single one of the players with less than 12,000 yards are HOFers. And Michael Irvin is the only modern passing game player on the list. So it's much tougher for current players to make the list under 12,000 when you have 17 others who have eclipsed 12,000 in the past decade or so.
My advice would be...Collect the Hines RC now. Wait until he gets 298 more yards. THEN request his addition to the set. You will have (likely) gotten the RC cheaper AND you can give Hines better odds of getting the poll votes. Cause right now, Derrick Mason has more yards...He is certainly NOT EVEN CLOSE to deserving of addition to the set as Hines, but does have more yards. And some guys are strictly STAT guys, who never watched Hines or Mason play more than what they saw on SporstCenter. Some believe that the stats tell the whole story rather than actually how well the player performed play-to-play. Just my opinion on one way to handle it. >>
i have no issue with smith in the set as he met the numbers required. i was just posting his numbers for reference of players that might have just ecked into the set. then some other number for discussion of others that are on the heels of Hines Ward stat wise.
i would agree overall stats dont tell the whole story...even more so when you look at final totals; yards, catches and TDs. thats why i put in there the yds/catch and TD%. to me those are more important numbers. the totals just mean a long healthy career. hence why i put in sterling sharpes numbers. during his whole injury shortened career he has the production numbers per catch closer to Rice and Hutson then either Wayne, Smith, Ward or Driver. not to mention the 3X First Team All Pro selections at a time when there were pretty dominant receivers in both conferences. if it wasnt for the neck injury he would probably be in this set and the HOF. he was quite the dominant player of the early 90's at his position. his career point to why as Jason says stats dont always tell the whole story.
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
<< <i> if it wasnt for the neck injury he would probably be in this set and the HOF. he was quite the dominant player of the early 90's at his position. his career point to why as Jason says stats dont always tell the whole story.
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Agreed. In most cases, career length is just as important as being a dominant player when it comes to HOF election. The problem with any CURRENT (post 1990) WR's who may come up, with the explosion of the passing game the last 20 years, it's going to be all but impossible for guys to get in the HOF strictly based on numbers. Look at Carter, Brown and Reed. Prime examples still waiting to get in. Of the current players you have TO and Moss with MONSTER numbers, but they were/have been hated players. Even they are not going to be sure fire first ballot locks. Although I think it is fairly likely they will get in.
Hines Ward is one of those guys on the fence. Similar to maybe an Isaac Bruce. As it pertains to the WR set, has he really distinguished himself to be voted on without having the 12,000 yards? Questionable. Arguments can go both ways. My advice again, either wait until he gets to 12,000, or hope the Steelers find a way to make the Super Bowl again and THEN request his additon. Any other time, and you will run the risk of him not getting the votes.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>What Hines Ward card did you request for the set? >>
1998 Leaf Rookies and Stars #202. Just like what is used in the Super Bowl MVP set.
Football Leaders & Football Records : Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Yds Years Teams
1. Terrell Owens (37) 15,934 1996-2010 5TM
2. Randy Moss (33) 14,858 1998-2010 4TM
3. Tony Gonzalez (34) 12,463 1997-2010 2TM
4. Derrick Mason (36) 11,891 1997-2010 2TM"
Wow, didn't know that Gonzalez was in 3rd. Owens will likely retire (?)...Moss maybe soon also (?). (I collect Gonzalez.)
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.