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Were the 1861-P $2.50 gold coins counterfeited much. If so is there a easy way to tell from die markers if a coin is genuine or counterfeit. It is the correct weight and tests out at 22 kt gold. Does anyone have a closeup pic of the double die version?
I have a 1906 that I am almost certain is a counterfeit that is a darker gold color and has way more luster than the 1861 even though it is the same grade AU as the 1861. The date on the 1861 is smaller than the 1906. Any help appreciated!!
Thanks
Mark

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you post pics of the two coins in question?

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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  • I don't have any images yet. Are there any genuine gold coins that have any spikes or are they all fakes?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The smaller date is normal for 1861.

    I do not recall seeing a counterfeit 1861, but that is no guarantee of anything. I saw a counterfeit 1862-S $2-1/2 today that I had never seen before. It did have spikes on it.

    That said, there are a few genuine Liberty head gold coins with spikes on them. They are not proof that it is counterfeit, but a strong indication that you should get the coin authenticated before buying it.

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Thanks Tom. That's good advice on authenticating before buying but I have a shop and was taking a chance on a otc buy. I need to update my gold counterfeit books.
    The other thing that makes me wonder about the coin is a thin line running from the denticle under the 2 up thru the bottom edge point of the 2 thru the decimal bar and into the lower part of the second 2 in 2 1/2 on the reverse. That is shown in my pcgs book as a example of a reverse of one type 1906 fake. But this is on a 1861. They are for sure two different shades of gold. This 1861 is more what I call yellow gold like you see with the older classic gold coins
  • konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
    yes its a counterfeit.

    page 51 Of Bill Fivaz counterfeit book

    the book only lists 1 example of counterfeits for that date and doesnt mention excessive amounts so it doesnt appear to be a "heavily" counterfeited date.

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