1927-s ANACS EF-40 SLQ on ebay

johnny54321

As a collector of SLQs, I like to familiarize myself with the general appearance of some of the better dates. This one kind of threw me through a loop, and I'm not really sure what I'm seeing here because the date doesnt look recessed and the strike just doesn't look 27s-ish to me at all. The mm looks too big also compared to what I'm used to seeing. Opinions?


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dcarr

Totally fake coin. Totally fake slab.

I haven't seen an old-style (small) fake ANACS slab before now.

Walkerguy21D

Good catch!
What's the 'tell' that the slab is fake? I believe the old ANACs would not have slabbed this coin, I'm just curious what DCarr sees that's obvious about the slab itself, for my future reference - and I want to bump this thread up so more folks can see it.

MFH

Greg,

I agree, I also have not seen an old ANACS Cachet
that was copied. Could the pick-up point for the fake be the
poor seals on the edges ? At first glance the slab looks okay.

The dead giveaway is the Type 2 coin with a Type 3 date
[regardless of the fact its a key date.]

Yes, the MM is wrong [ too large ] and the date has been
reworked. [ Date is on the Base - not recessed in it.]

This should be reported to eBay. I looked to see where
the coin was being sold from... no more mention of the
location anymore ? I betcha its China !!

epcjimi1

<< <i> I looked to see where
the coin was being sold from... no more mention of the
location anymore ? I betcha its China !! >>



You gotta click on "other item info" which reveals -

Item number: 180606488235
Item location: United States, United States
Ships to: United States, Canada

MFH

Thanks - didn't know that !!

johnny54321

Yeah, the seller has good feedback and is from the US. It seems quite possible that he may not know the coin is a phony. We should alert him and see how he responds.
Also, what do you think about the 16-d ANACS merc he has for sale? The slab itself looks of the same origin.

TPRC

Thank you. This is great! As a non-collector of SLQs, this is something that I could imagine myself, in the past, thinking I was getting a deal, and taking a shot at. Fortunately, I stopped that a while back. And for good reason.

DennisH

A coin with identical serial number and grade was sold April 22, 2008 in a Heritage auction: lot #7864.

It and the coin in the eBay auction look nothing alike.

coinguy1

<< <i>Yeah, the seller has good feedback and is from the US. It seems quite possible that he may not know the coin is a phony. We should alert him and see how he responds.
Also, what do you think about the 16-d ANACS merc he has for sale? The slab itself looks of the same origin. >>

I sent him a message earlier and referred him to this thread. I haven't heard back from him, but would bet he had no idea the coin and holder are counterfeit.

The Mercury dime looks genuine to me. And, thus far, at least, I have not seen a counterfeit that is that low of a grade.

erwindoc

I believe the clear edges should stop much closer to the white insert on an authentic holder. Not go significantly past the insert as shown in the photos of both the quarter in question and the dime. Here is the pair for comparison.

johnny54321

Thank you for the research and help guys! If the slab is counterfeit, it looks pretty darn close to the Heritage example to me. Comparing to the Heritage lot, it appears to me that all of the lettering and sticker placement is exactly the same(though I could be wrong on that). Is it possible that they used the original slab insert holder, but opened it up and resealed a bit differently(which would explain why the edges look larger and a bit more sloppy).

thecoinlook

It wouldn't shock me at all if the insert was indeed done by ANACS, but I have a feeling the original was cracked out and resealed in one of the DIY slabs. I had bought many of those at auctions because some deals can be had. Many of the DIY slabs were glued, which resulted in the look you see there. Definitely a fake coin. To see if this worked, I took an old ANACS insert and cracked open one of the glued DIY slabs, put them together and fit like a glove!


Edit: Guess I should have read all the way down before posting. I see I wasn't the first one with this thought.

thecoinlook

<< <i> The Mercury dime looks genuine to me. And, thus far, at least, I have not seen a counterfeit that is that low of a grade. >>



I too would have more faith in the 1916-D Mercury being real before the 27-S SLQ. The mint mark appears to be the right shape when compared to 1916-D Mercury Dime Counterfeit Detection. But the coin in question appears to have been cleaned, damaged on the obverse rim (unless that is a glare).
It is possible the coin in indeed real, but has replaced the original G4 coin. The "murkiness" in the outside of the slab definitely looks like it was glued shut.

Russ

A couple years ago multiple fakes of the old white ANACS slabs surfaced. Most were of the net graded slabs.

Russ, NCNE

AUandAG

My bid was canceled and the auction ended

bob

Russ

Wow. eBay took care of another one. They sure seem to have dramatically improved in their reaction time to this stuff.

Russ, NCNE

dcarr

<< <i>... Is it possible that they used the original slab insert holder, but opened it up and resealed a bit differently(which would explain why the edges look larger and a bit more sloppy). >>



Yes, that is very possible.