PCGS just BB'd this CBH. Guess the reason. (Answer revealed.)

lkeigwin

Maybe BB is the wrong term. The half is NGC AU53. I asked for a cross at 50 or better. And just got word that they wouldn't cross it for "genuine" reasons so it will remain in its NGC holder.

What's your guess? (No prize...there are only so many BB reasons.)
Lance.

itsnotjustme

Altered Surfaces.

coinguy1

Reverse cleaned?

WoodenJefferson

She really took one to the lip!

Flatwoods

I would guess the scratches on the reverse.

mbbiker

my guess would be damage for the scratch on her lower lip

SeattleSlammer

somebody pissed in the grader's cornflakes?

LVGT

Looks great to me.

AU58WALKERS

tooling

pocketpiececommems

The dot that is in the dead center of the obv.

MsMorrisine

scratches considered graffitti

ps keep it

braddick

Those Eagle's claws are way too big.

SeattleSlammer

Those Eagle's claws are way too big.



That was my second thought!

blu62vette

I was going to say the scratches...

AnkurJ

Eagles claws are fine. I'm going to guess altered surfaces.

ChrisRx

<< <i>Reverse cleaned? >>



That was my first guess.

SeattleSlammer

I'm pretty sure that we were just joshing about the claws.

TomB

Scratched would be my guess based upon the images.

WoodenJefferson

There are only three reasons a coin will not be encapsulated,

83 Peeling Lamination
90 Not Genuine
99 PVC Residue

So, it must be one of those.

JRocco

Those scratches are too prominent on both the obverse and reverse.
There is a lot of lines both north and south of the birds head as well as that
obverse scratch right in front of the kisser.
I would have hoped they were adjustment marks, but I am pretty sure they are not.

TennesseeDave

Planchet defect?

DRUNNER

Wow . . . Lance, that is a schweeeeeeet coin!

Not sure as to your original question. It looks super to me. I think when we KNOW there has been a problem crossing, as Forumites we tend to look extra hard for a flaw. Not that that is bad at all, but I surely don't see anything obvious from the images . .

Keep the rubber down and the shiny side up.

Drunner
(1979 CBX Driver--fastest production bike of its era)

lordmarcovan

<< <i>There are only three reasons a coin will not be encapsulated,
83 Peeling Lamination
90 Not Genuine
99 PVC Residue
So, it must be one of those. >>

I think WoodenJefferson is onto something here. Note he said they BB'd the coin, as in, bodybagged it. Not, "they stuck it in a 'Genuine' holder".

If it came back in a flip instead of a slab (assuming this is what the OP meant by BB-ing, then it's gotta be one of the above. I don't see any peeling laminations and the coin looks authentic to me, so I am gonna guess PVC residue?

Edit- oh... hang on... I just read the top line. It didn't cross. That's different. But it didn't cross for "Genuine" reasons? Huh?

WoodenJefferson

I'm confused...normal for me.

No Grade Description -Printed Description -Holdered
82 Filed Rims -Yes -Yes
83 Peeling Lamination -No -No
84 Holed and Plugged -Yes -Yes
90 Not Genuine -No -No
91 Questionable Color -No -Yes
92 Cleaning -No -Yes
93 Planchet Flaw -No -Yes
94 Altered Surfaces -No -Yes
95 Scratch / Rim Dent -No -Yes
97 Environmental Damage -No -Yes
98 Damage -No -Yes
99 PVC Residue -No -No

BigE

Reverse is whizzed/tooled above the eagle?------BigE

stealer

Hole in her neck.

BillyGoatsGruff

PCGS is right, I don't like the surfaces on the reverse. So I would say altered surfaces.

crazyhounddog

Unless I'm seeing things, I would guess it's been cleaned or wiped, around the eagles right wing tip. Other than that it looks like a very nice 1817..Nice pick-up Lance I like it!

lkeigwin

And the answer is...

SeattleSlammer guessed right. Someone pissed in the grader's cornflakes. Too funny.

The guesses were: altered surfaces, reversed cleaned, scratches, scratches, damage, tooling, centering dot (what code is that?), graffiti, big claws (LOL!), big claws (bigger LOL), scratches, altered surface, cleaned, scratches, planchet defect, whizzed, tooled, hole in the neck (again?), altered surfaces, and cleaned/wiped.

But no one said "holed, plugged" or "filed rims". Where are you guys?

PCGS said "rim damage or scratched". Argh. Bummed.

Since they didn't crack it (crossover failed) it must be scratches. I like it but I'll probably return it and try to find a nicer one with smaller claws.
Lance.

Justacommeman

It was probably the big claws that caused dem scratches. Yes, get one with smaller claws...........MJ

lordmarcovan

Now dat y'all mention it, dat bird does some mighty big footses.

lkeigwin

Another perspective I thought I'd share...

A couple of weeks ago PCGS agreed that an MS66 1917 Lincoln I sent in for a spot review needed to downgrade. We settled on a price and PCGS kept the coin.

Below is the coin. Stunning in many ways. But the reverse has a scratch. A big one. Huge.

Now don't you figure this Lincoln should have been "genuined"? Instead it was regraded MS65+RD. No kidding. Check out the cert# if you're skeptical: 50169415

The 1817 half in NGC AU53 plastic wouldn't cross for some minor scratch barely perceptible. But the GEM 1917 Lincoln with a scratch a mile wide gets a plus grade.

I give up.
Lance.

AnkurJ

Ah the ever changing standard/guidlines!

Justacommeman

Geez, you could jump rope with that scratch on the Lincoln...........MJ

PawPaul

why would someone piddle into another man's cornflakes ?

INDIANJOE

with a coin that old. could the mint be the one that filed the rims.?

lkeigwin

No rim filing. I was joking that virtually every other BB possibility had been guessed.

PCGS said "rim damage or scratch". Since they didn't crack it out, and there's no apparent rim damage, I'm assuming it failed to cross because of a scratch somewhere.
Lance.

speety

From the pics, it appears as if the bust half has multiple light scratches on both sides of the coin (2 above the L in LIBERTY, several on either side of the eagles head, and a few smaller ones above the C in 50C.) while the lincoln has only one (fairly large) scratch. Perhaps this is the reason for the non-cross. And while I personally wouldn't touch the Lincoln in anything above about MS-63, I don't thing it should be bagged.

All this is purely from pics though - so I really have no clue in actuality

lkeigwin

Not to belabor the point, but if those marks on this bust half are grounds for BB'ing then most of the thousands of CBH's I've seen in PCGS holders should be BB'd.

For that matter my entire AU set belongs in BB's. (I can't believe I'm saying this.)
Lance.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>For that matter my entire AU set belongs in BB's. (I can't believe I'm saying this.) >>



Funny... I recently heard someone's entire AU set was subject to an unexplained, mass mechanical error...

tahoe98

<< <i>Those Eagle's claws are way too big. >>



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tahoe98

...ummm i think the comments are getting a bit on the fence as far as criticizing our host. the reason i say this is

because i THINK i heard the plane drone noise of the enola gay right above this thread.

coolest

When a coin DNC what other info do you get from PCGS?

MsMorrisine

<< <i>...ummm i think the comments are getting a bit on the fence as far as criticizing our host. the reason i say this is

because i THINK i heard the plane drone noise of the enola gay right above this thread. >>



I was Joking!

I think that one needed no smiley!

mozin

I think PCGS did not like the reverse scratches above and below the eagle's head. The scratches might be deeper than they appear in the picture.

Dog97

I don't think anybody mentioned what looks like a large staple scratch running from Liberty's cap to the rim about 1k. It looks more substantial that what is on the rev of the 17 cent.