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1848 CAL $2.5 - Double Struck?

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
The Heritage sale has an interesting 1848 CAL Quarter Eagle. The date (and maybe more) appears to be dramatically doubled. (Link to Lot.) Then again, it could also be strike doubling. And yet again, it could be a different type of strike doubling unique to the issue, because the CAL may have been applied "post strike" while the coin was still sitting on the obverse die. What do you think?

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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    This may have been an early strike of the counterstamp done while the coin was in the obverse die, but I think that the obverse die is the hammer strike, so that doesn't make much sense.

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A very distracting "look" IMO. If I were looking to buy one of these (and I'd love to some day) I would pass on this one.
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    Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    I have no idea but I will let you know my thoughts when I have viewed the coin in hand in about two weeksimage

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The counterstamps were applied to the backs of the coins while the coins were lying face down in the obverse die on a workbench.
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    When I was at ANACS we had a different CAL. piece in where the coins was not properly seated in the obverse die when the counterstamp blow was made, and so the date (which is more or less opposite the counterstamp) was "double struck" by the date in the die. There was no doubling elsewhere.
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    This coin is absolutely genuine. Bid with confidence.

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    << <i>The counterstamps were applied to the backs of the coins while the coins were lying face down in the obverse die on a workbench.
    .
    When I was at ANACS we had a different CAL. piece in where the coins was not properly seated in the obverse die when the counterstamp blow was made, and so the date (which is more or less opposite the counterstamp) was "double struck" by the date in the die. There was no doubling elsewhere.
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    This coin is absolutely genuine. Bid with confidence.

    Tom DeLorey >>



    Makes sense. In addition, the neck cut-off of Liberty appears unnaturally strong, which would be an effect of the stamp being applied with the coin seated in the die.
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The counterstamps were applied to the backs of the coins while the coins were lying face down in the obverse die on a workbench.
    .
    When I was at ANACS we had a different CAL. piece in where the coins was not properly seated in the obverse die when the counterstamp blow was made, and so the date (which is more or less opposite the counterstamp) was "double struck" by the date in the die. There was no doubling elsewhere.
    .
    This coin is absolutely genuine. Bid with confidence.

    Tom DeLorey >>



    Tom knows a lot. I think that he is almost certainly correct.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The counterstamps were applied to the backs of the coins while the coins were lying face down in the obverse die on a workbench.
    .
    When I was at ANACS we had a different CAL. piece in where the coins was not properly seated in the obverse die when the counterstamp blow was made, and so the date (which is more or less opposite the counterstamp) was "double struck" by the date in the die. There was no doubling elsewhere.
    .
    This coin is absolutely genuine. Bid with confidence.

    Tom DeLorey >>



    I doesn't look like the upper portion of each of the digits in the date sheared off.

    It almost looks like they delaminated from the impact of the counter strike.
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    homerunhallhomerunhall Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭
    This coin was bought back by PCGS a year ago as some experts had doubts that it was real. After a long investigation, the top guys in the field now feel it is unquestionably genuine. Thought I'd post in case anyone has any doubts. We compared everything about the "CAL." with other examples and it's definitely real. A pretty cool coin.

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The counterstamps were applied to the backs of the coins while the coins were lying face down in the obverse die on a workbench.
    .
    When I was at ANACS we had a different CAL. piece in where the coins was not properly seated in the obverse die when the counterstamp blow was made, and so the date (which is more or less opposite the counterstamp) was "double struck" by the date in the die. There was no doubling elsewhere.
    .
    This coin is absolutely genuine. Bid with confidence.

    Tom DeLorey >>



    A very useful tidbit. Thanks
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