Legends and Leaders?
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The Big Ten (which now has 12 teams) names it's new divisions "Legends" and "Leaders"...how lame is that?
The only thing worse is if they had sponsorships for the division names...I'm actually surprised they didn't go that route. Although I have a feeling in the not-so-distant future the MasterCard Big Ten will have "MagicJack Division" and "PapaJohn's Division", as the NCAA looks for more and more ways to generate money, all the while preventing student-athletes from holding part-time jobs.
The only thing worse is if they had sponsorships for the division names...I'm actually surprised they didn't go that route. Although I have a feeling in the not-so-distant future the MasterCard Big Ten will have "MagicJack Division" and "PapaJohn's Division", as the NCAA looks for more and more ways to generate money, all the while preventing student-athletes from holding part-time jobs.
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And to answer your question, no it is not lamer than Big 10 football.
<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!!
<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Ridiculous putting those 2 on the same trophy. As a big ten fan, i think it stinks. Both coaches are legends but is unfair to the other legends like JoePa, Delaney, Osbourne, etc.
<< <i>Stupid. What's wrong with East and West? >>
They actually paid some dumbbbaass consultants to come up with this nonsense.
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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I see what your saying. But Bo is NOT in the same class as WOODY. WOODY= 5 national championships. BO= 0
But to the OP...........just call them the LOL Divisions, because that's what the rest of America is doing right now.
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 3 (all Woody)
Case closed!
Disclosure: I am a Nebraska alum.
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 5 (all Woody)
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I corrected that for you.
That's why I like the idea of the old NHL style "named" conferences. Pick a couple of legends and use those names.
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But to the OP...........just call them the LOL Divisions, because that's what the rest of America is doing right now. >>
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 5 (all Woody)
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I corrected that for you. >>
5 for Woody? Wikipedia only has 3. Punching the Clemson player in the Gator Bowl does not count as 2.
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<< <i>As a Buckeyes fan, this is a disgrace to the Big Ten. This whole situation. The even bigger travesty is they put Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler's name on the same trophy!! WTF?? >>
Yeah, WTF?? Should be the Devaney-Osborne trophy!! >>
Umm...how many Big Ten games did Tom Osborne win? Or Devaney?
JoePa made his name outside the Big Ten, that's why he's not on it either. And he's still active.
The Big Ten absolutely selected correctly by picking Bo & Woody to put on the trophy. There's no two coaches more associated with the Big Ten than those two.
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Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 5 (all Woody)
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I corrected that for you. >>
5 for Woody? Wikipedia only has 3. Punching the Clemson player in the Gator Bowl does not count as 2. >>
Wikipedia is often times wrong on facts.
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http://www.kgbanswers.com/how-many-national-championships-has-ohio-state-won/4196580
<< <i>Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 3 (all Woody)
Case closed!
Disclosure: I am a Nebraska alum.
Fine, name the national Coach of the Year trophy after them. But it would be pretty stupid to name the Big Ten trophy after guys whose career Big Ten record is 0-0.
As for Bo & Woody:
Bo Opposing Players Punched: 0
Woody Opposing Players Punched: 1
Bo > Woody
1970 for Ohio State certainly doesn't count. They lost their final game of the year, finished 2nd in the coaches' poll (which was taken BEFORE the loss) and 5th in the AP poll (which came after the loss).
Ditto for 1961 - they were 2nd in both polls and didn't play in a game after the polls were released - but Alabama (#1 in both) did and won their game.
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<< <i>Osborne/Devaney National Championships: 5
Hayes/Schembechler National Championships: 3 (all Woody)
Case closed!
Disclosure: I am a Nebraska alum.
Fine, name the national Coach of the Year trophy after them. But it would be pretty stupid to name the Big Ten trophy after guys whose career Big Ten record is 0-0.
As for Bo & Woody:
Bo Opposing Players Punched: 0
Woody Opposing Players Punched: 1
Bo > Woody
1970 for Ohio State certainly doesn't count. They lost their final game of the year, finished 2nd in the coaches' poll (which was taken BEFORE the loss) and 5th in the AP poll (which came after the loss).
Ditto for 1961 - they were 2nd in both polls and didn't play in a game after the polls were released - but Alabama (#1 in both) did and won their game.
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Yeah, BS on 1961 and 1970 for OSU. Nebraska won 1970, and anyone outside of Greater Columbus concurs.
Regarding the trophy, I was kidding about Devaney-Osborne, but calling it the Hayes Schebecher trophy is a slap to JoPa, who has been in the Big 10 for almost 20 years, Schembcher never won a championship, and Hayes exited the game in disgrace, and is best remembered for clocking that Clemson kid and punching an ABC camera man.
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Yeah, BS on 1961 and 1970 for OSU. Nebraska won 1970, and anyone outside of Greater Columbus concurs.
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Wrong. In those days both the NFF AND upi awarded the national champion before the bowl games. So ohio state won a split championship as did texas and nebraska. If 1970 had been run under the current bcs system nebraska wouldve never had a chance to play for a national championship because texas and ohio state were #1 and #2 in the polls before the bowl games. So if you take away ohio states 2 split national championships you have to take away every other teams split championships.
The team who actually had the best record in 1970 was arizona state. they were the only team that finished with a perfect unbeaten-untied record
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It's not a slap at JoePa. If he was actually retired, they'd probably have put him on the trophy. Since he's not, they avoided the awkward situation of him possibly winning his own trophy
And I actually agree about Bo & Woody. I'm a Michigan guy so Bo is much-loved by me, and Woody hated, but even I recognize neither guy is really a great idea for such a trophy. Still, if you're going to pick two iconic Big Ten coaches, those are pretty much the choices.
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<< <i>Wrong. In those days both the NFF AND upi awarded the national champion before the bowl games. So ohio state won a split championship as did texas and nebraska. If 1970 had been run under the current bcs system nebraska wouldve never had a chance to play for a national championship because texas and ohio state were #1 and #2 in the polls before the bowl games. So if you take away ohio states 2 split national championships you have to take away every other teams split championships.
The team who actually had the best record in 1970 was arizona state. they were the only team that finished with a perfect unbeaten-untied record
There's something like 40 or 50 recognized groups that declared a national champion for 1970. ONE of them picked Ohio State (NFF). And that was a split selection. And they lost their last game of the year. Seriously, they have no valid claim.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1970
The claim for 1961 is better but not much:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1961
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<< <i>Wrong. In those days both the NFF AND upi awarded the national champion before the bowl games. So ohio state won a split championship as did texas and nebraska. If 1970 had been run under the current bcs system nebraska wouldve never had a chance to play for a national championship because texas and ohio state were #1 and #2 in the polls before the bowl games. So if you take away ohio states 2 split national championships you have to take away every other teams split championships.
The team who actually had the best record in 1970 was arizona state. they were the only team that finished with a perfect unbeaten-untied record
There's something like 40 or 50 recognized groups that declared a national champion for 1970. ONE of them picked Ohio State (NFF). And that was a split selection. And they lost their last game of the year. Seriously, they have no valid claim.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1970
The claim for 1961 is better but not much:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1961
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Although I am an SEC guy, I don't really argue about these titles...or whatever they are. With more than 1 body awarding what should be the same thing to different teams, its just confusing. However, there is 1 school that distorts these "titles" more than anyone else and that is the Univesity of Alabama. They actually claim to have won 13 titles, which no one outside of Tuscaloosa agrees with (apologies in advance CrimsonTider)
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<< <i>Wrong. In those days both the NFF AND upi awarded the national champion before the bowl games. So ohio state won a split championship as did texas and nebraska. If 1970 had been run under the current bcs system nebraska wouldve never had a chance to play for a national championship because texas and ohio state were #1 and #2 in the polls before the bowl games. So if you take away ohio states 2 split national championships you have to take away every other teams split championships.
The team who actually had the best record in 1970 was arizona state. they were the only team that finished with a perfect unbeaten-untied record
There's something like 40 or 50 recognized groups that declared a national champion for 1970. ONE of them picked Ohio State (NFF). And that was a split selection. And they lost their last game of the year. Seriously, they have no valid claim.
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Wrong again. They have just as much a claim as the other two teams that split. Without a playoff, thats the nature of college football. A good debate. There were 3 groups who chose national champions in 1970. Not 40 or 50. The NFF today is half of the current BCS system today along with the coaches poll. 1970 was one of those years where you had 5 different teams that had legit claims as #1. Many felt it shouldve been Notre dame being they beat the #1 team(texas) in the cotton bowl.
<< <i>So Nebraska is the only undefeated team in the top 5 for 1970, OSU loses in the Rose bowl by 10 and you still say OSU was National Champ? Did I miss something? >>
Nah, that pretty much sums it up. (OSU alum aren't the brightest crayons in the box)
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<< <i>So Nebraska is the only undefeated team in the top 5 for 1970, OSU loses in the Rose bowl by 10 and you still say OSU was National Champ? Did I miss something? >>
Nah, that pretty much sums it up. (OSU alum aren't the brightest crayons in the box) >>
Whether people are jealous or not, you cant argue with the record books. Those are the facts.
<< <i>So Nebraska is the only undefeated team in the top 5 for 1970, OSU loses in the Rose bowl by 10 and you still say OSU was National Champ? Did I miss something? >>
I'm certainly not going to knock nebraska. They are a great football program and now a big ten member
Nebraska in 1970 didnt have to play one of the top 4 teams in their bowl game. Notre dame got screwed and probably shouldve been #1 after the bowls because they beat #1. Ohio state lost to stanford in the rose bowl which was pretty much a home game for stanford. If 1970 was under the current bcs system, either texas or ohio state wouldve been crowned champions because they finished 1 and 2 after the regular season. Depending on who wouldve won between texas and ohio state. Ohio state finished #1 in one of the 3 polls, so their claim is actually more legit than nebraska's. Arizona state claimed they were the best team finishing with the best record. Lots of controversy that year.
Man, i just love facts.
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<< <i>Regarding the trophy, I was kidding about Devaney-Osborne, but calling it the Hayes Schebecher trophy is a slap to JoPa, who has been in the Big 10 for almost 20 years, Schembcher never won a championship, and Hayes exited the game in disgrace, and is best remembered for clocking that Clemson kid and punching an ABC camera man. >>
It's not a slap at JoePa. If he was actually retired, they'd probably have put him on the trophy. Since he's not, they avoided the awkward situation of him possibly winning his own trophy
And I actually agree about Bo & Woody. I'm a Michigan guy so Bo is much-loved by me, and Woody hated, but even I recognize neither guy is really a great idea for such a trophy. Still, if you're going to pick two iconic Big Ten coaches, those are pretty much the choices.
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Another reason it's not a slap to JoePa is because his name is on the Championship Trophy.
"Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy"
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Nah, that pretty much sums it up. (OSU alum aren't the brightest crayons in the box) >>
Using his logic, Nebraska should be the 1983 National Champs -- they did get a trophy from 1 of those 40 organizations (I forget who). And you know damn well if they went for a tie they would have been #1!
Really? It's any more impractical than naming a conference with 12 teams "The Big Ten"? College sports really needs to get their head out of his a$$es.