Help needed on a couple of overdates- 1935/3 Norway 2 Ore, 1853/2 England Farthing

Buffalode

I'm really not sure what I have on either of these coins. The Norway 2 Ore date appears to be 1935/3. The Krause catalog I have is several years old and I can't find this listed, so any info will be appreciated. The Farthing was in a lot I bought and marked 1853/2 on the 2x2. I see something, but I'm not really sure what and I have not been able to find a photo online for this to compare it to. Was the 1853/2 on the 2x2 just wishful thinking? Again, thanks for any help.

wybrit

Here's a Mark Goodman rendition of an ex-mac 1853/2 farthing:



Yours looks pretty similar.

Buffalode

Thank you very much. I took a couple more shots that might show it a little better but I'm defintely not in Mark's league.

wybrit

It looks like 3/2 to me, and those are pretty decent photos.

bosox

I am no Norwegian coin expert, but I have seen other early 20th century Norwegian pieces with double punched last digits of the date. I am guessing that they punched the last digit of the dates into each die manually in those days.

MacCrimmon

I also concur; in fact, your example looks to be a closer match to the other 53/2 which I had (see below). That second example actually looks like the "2" is more the upper loop of an "8" which makes me wonder if the intended "3" wasn't first an errant "8" punch which was out of perpendicular.






Does anyone have a high grade example (image) of an 185(2) or 1842 farthing date punch?

Buffalode

bosox, thank you. I am new to anything other than US coins so I have a lot to learn. Is it common to find something like this that doesn't appear to be listed in Krause? They show others but not this one, at least in the older edition I have.

MacCrimmon, thanks also. I was thinking the same thing on the 53/2. The upper loop seems to come all the way around instead of stopping where a 2 would. I don't see a corresponding lower loop, but as you say if the punch was not perpendicular it might have caused only the partial upper part of an 8.

wybrit

Does anyone have a high grade example (image) of an 185(2) or 1842 farthing date punch?

1852 has eluded me thus far, but I have 1842:



There are two types of '2's in this date according to aboutfarthings.co.uk - the "swan neck" 2 (shown here) and a standard 2. The 1852 looks to have only the swan neck type, basically.

Link to 1853 farthing page from aboutfarthings.co.uk

MacCrimmon

Yep, I forgot about the 'aboutfarthing' site. The 6d also uses a swan neck "2" on the 1842. It would be nice to do a complete catalog of punches employed someday, but alas I'm presently buried in SMA, Fibonaccis, MACD, Bollingers, and the like these days.

bosox

Buff - Regarding Krause, they typically only list the most popular, commercially successful re-punched varieties. That's okay, since they do not purport to be a variety catalog. As an example, I do know Canadian cents very well and Krause only lists a few of the many, many re-punched dates that exist in that series.