Joe DiMaggio 1936 Goudey Premium Wide Pens Purchase???

hookem

I will be looking for the next Boo Ya thread when I get this in hand but for now, What the hell did I just buy?

Here is the link: eBay Best Offer purchase of 1936 DiMaggio Goudey

The original seller was asking $299 and after some fun back and forth offers we settled at $250.

Per VCP it looks like this 1936 was the 1st year of any DiMaggio major league cards. The ZeeNut & Pebble Beach appear to be Pacific Coast League or other minor league cards (and out of my current budget!!!)

Year ACC # Set Name Card # Variation
1933 Zeenut (1933-36 Black & White) 32 (J., Batting, DiMaggio)
1933 Zeenut (1933-36 Black & White) 33 (J., Throwing, DiMaggio)
1935 Pebble Beach Clothiers (Minors) 2

In addition here is the VCP data for the limited sells of my card:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 1.5 - Average Price: $206.39
9/17/09 eBay $206.39

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 2 - Average Price: $404.00
8/12/08 eBay $404.00

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 4 - Average Price: $431.62
9/30/10 Clean Sweep Auction $525.23
2/21/10 eBay $338.00
10/18/09 eBay $510.00
5/3/09 eBay $439.44
12/26/08 eBay $355.00
1/20/08 eBay $338.33
5/28/07 eBay $380.00
5/3/07 eBay $522.22
11/26/05 eBay $700.00

Latest Auction Prices for: SGC 40 - Average Price: $450.00
11/24/10 eBay Listing $450.00
7/2/08 eBay $242.61
7/15/07 eBay $340.00
3/9/06 eBay $384.00


So it SEEMS like I got a great price but like I said earlier, What the hell did I just buy?

itzagoner

<< <i> What the hell did I just buy? >>



a supper nice nice card.

mlbfan2

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<< <i> What the hell did I just buy? >>



a supper nice nice card. >>



Maybe you'd eat it, but not me.

fkw

You bought a card that was really printed in 1937 in Canada.

It was a redemption card issued for redeeming "World Wide Gum" Wrappers (not Goudey) to the store clerk (not mail offer).

World Wide Gum is sometimes call "Canadian Goudeys", but they are really not related.

The name of the set is often referred to as "Creamy Wide Pens", but advanced collectors call it "1937 R314-4"

Other names for this exact set are "V352-1" or "R314C", but these 2 are rarely used now.

The set can be dated to 1937 very easily as it has a Bobby Doerr in the set.

The set is complete at 25 different cards with the DiMaggio and Feller being the keys (both are considered "rookies", even though DiMaggio has a card 1 years older also issued by WWG (1936 V355)

PS your price you paid is OK.

fkw

This is DiMaggio's "true rookie" (if you dont count the Minor League Zeenuts and Pebble Beach Clothiers cards)

As you can see it is out of most people price range
1936 V355 World Wide Gum Joe DiMaggio #51 SGC84

hookem

Wow thanks for the great info! (And yes I might have to eat it someday if times get hard enough)

Why would PSA & SGC list this card as 1936 if it was printed in 1937? I understand the way they handle Exhibit cards but this would seem different. Is it because the wrappers that had to be turned in were from a set produced in 1936?

hookem

One more question. Why is this considered a "rookie" card if he had a card produced the year before? Trust me I don't mind as I can legitimately put this in my rookie card collection!

fkw

PSA and SGC were using old info on the set and they are slow like some price guides to update the info once new facts show a set is mislabeled or misidentified.

The first time I saw the 1937 facts on the R314-4 was only about 4-5 years ago. The Doerr fact is 100% proof as thats the first year he played in Majors, 1937.

When I say some consider your card Joe's rookie, that is the same thing why some call the 1949 Leaf or 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson cards rookies, even thought they arent ( a few cards were issued in 1947, ie Old Gold, D302, D305, etc.).
Collectors are slow to change, or just play dump because of $$ they have in the card, or hype they want to use to sell it.

I know its NOT his first MLB card, but 95% dont know this, same with the 1938 R323 Goudey Heads Up often called Joe's rookie too.

The bad thing about the 1936 V355 (link I showed) is its fairly scarce and is very expensive, even in low grade... thats usually why some like to call later issues his rookie.

A rookie to one collector is sometimes not a rookie to another. It seems the more advanced you get in this hobby the more you really find out the real facts on these sets/cards.

Its a nice card and you did good with the price. If I saw it listed as his rookie I wouldnt care, but I also know there is *1 MLB card older.

*PS there are 2 more "cards" of Joe from 1936
One shows Joe DiMaggio (batting) with a player named Hank Erickson (catching) from a set called 1936 R313 National Chicle "Fine Pens", this is also called his "rookie" but since it shows and names 2 players on the same card some dont count it. These R313 cards were also issued as a wrapper redemption.

The other "card" is a larger redemption premium called a R312 and shows DiMaggio by himself, and could also be called his rookie, but the knock on it is its too big to be called a card.

hookem

Thanks for taking the time to educate me on this card.

Funny you mention the Jackie Robinson Leaf card as it is the other example I was thinking of. I recently had one slabbed by Beckett and they labeled it as 1949. In fact I never realized it was not a 1948 card until I was trying to load it on their electronic submission form and it would not give me the option of 1948. Do you also know the story behind that card? I did see a 1947 Jackie card on eBay a few weeks ago but did not end up bidding on it.

As another example of what we consider "Rookie" cards. I have a 1920 W516-1 strip card of Babe Ruth in my rookie display case! I justify this to myself as it is from the first year he had cards as a Yankee. At first I had bought and displayed the W514 Home Run King card since VCP listed it as a 1919 card. It was not until I got the card authenticated by BVG that I found out it was from 1919-1921. I decided to "trade" it out for the strip card since it seems it was only produced in 1920.