Nutty Seller on ebay and I get this message
wrestlingcardking
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I won two cards from the guy last night and here is a message that I get tonight
Dear wrestlingcardking,
Im writing you again since your not willing to let me know what your going to do about paying. It would be nice to know if your going to pay or if you want me to cancel it, but it's also sad to know you bid on an item that you wasn't going to pay for in the first place, and not only that you took it from someone else, and also by you bidding and winning I got charge for it. Now come on grow up and let me know something.
- gator1234572
I won two cards for 99 cents last night and he wants me to pay $12 to ship the cards. I get that he listed it in the description but the guy sent one message last night, one during the day today and one tonight about paying for the cards. I feel so annoyed by him now. By the way, I don't think that I have ever bid without paying but this may be an exception. I do not like to be told to "grow up". By the way, I do like how he mentions BGS 9.5 in his auctions for his description.....
Dear wrestlingcardking,
Im writing you again since your not willing to let me know what your going to do about paying. It would be nice to know if your going to pay or if you want me to cancel it, but it's also sad to know you bid on an item that you wasn't going to pay for in the first place, and not only that you took it from someone else, and also by you bidding and winning I got charge for it. Now come on grow up and let me know something.
- gator1234572
I won two cards for 99 cents last night and he wants me to pay $12 to ship the cards. I get that he listed it in the description but the guy sent one message last night, one during the day today and one tonight about paying for the cards. I feel so annoyed by him now. By the way, I don't think that I have ever bid without paying but this may be an exception. I do not like to be told to "grow up". By the way, I do like how he mentions BGS 9.5 in his auctions for his description.....
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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Pay the guy.
EDIT: He sounds like a goofball in his auctions, but he warns potential bidders in the first line. If the items show up in a plain white envelope with a 44 stamp on them...then, yes, light him up with two negatives for lying about shipping the items in a flat rate container.
I'd pay him
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY SHIPPING COST THEN PLEASE DON'T BID ON MY ITEMS, BECAUSE I EXPECT GREAT FEEDBACK FROM YOU IF YOU DO DECIDE TO BID, SINCE I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN GETTING YOUR ITEM TO YOU ASAP.
YOUR ONLY BIDDING ON THE ITEM THAT'S MENTION.
THIS CARD IS GRADED OUT AT 9.5 IT HAS BEEN PACKED AWAY TIL NOW. IT WILL COME IN A PROTECT SLEEVE SO IT IS NOT DAMAGED.
YOUR ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THE ITEM ITSELF BUT I LISTED IT THIS WAY WITH SHIPPING SO I CAN MAKE A SMALL PROFIT.
This is a "BRAND NEW" RC of the future HOF MATT BORNE, AKA DONIK THE CLOWN. This card is in MINT condition. It is BGS 9.5 from 1983 #36 of 36 card set.
Christmas is coming and this would make a great gift for a child to own for years to come, or even yourself.
Due to EBAY'S cost going up this item will ship with FLAT RATE cost.
I will show it as $6.01 shipping, plus the FINAL BID when it ends.
I'm doing it this way so I can make a small profit, due to EBAY wanting more of the pie.
It's hard to make money if EBAY keeps changing the rules.
Hope you understand.
PAYPAL ONLY
STARTING PRICE $.99 CENTS
SHIPPING COST $6.01
$PLUS FINAL BID
PLEASE PAY WITHIN 24HRS OF AUCTION ENDING.
PAYPAL ONLY
PAYPAL ONLY
If you have any questions please contact me before you start bidding so there's not a problem later on.
I WILL NOT SHIP OVERSEAS.
Thanks to everyone and good luck.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
That being said, you should still pay the man. He stated it clearly in his auction. Mark it up as lesson learned, and then go turn him in for breaking ebay policy.
<< <i>You bid and you knew the shipping charges before you bid?
Pay the guy. >>
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
"I took them out of the cases years ago and packed them away and sold the cases they came in. I really didn't want to sell them but its hard times right now. I'm almost 40 and I took really good care of them."
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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"I took them out of the cases years ago and packed them away and sold the cases they came in. I really didn't want to sell them but its hard times right now. I'm almost 40 and I need to re-up my membership at match dot com." >>
I fixed his quote for you...
<< <i>The seller is breaking ebay rules by setting high shipping costs to make a profit (he even admits it, what a moron). By setting his shipping fee high, he is avoiding ebay fees, because the fees are based on the final bid price only.
That being said, you should still pay the man. He stated it clearly in his auction. Mark it up as lesson learned, and then go turn him in for breaking ebay policy. >>
tell him that you expect them to be shipped separately.
2) you should NOT have bid
3) the item listed is not the same as the item you will receive, since he advertises a BGS 9.5 and is going to give you a raw card.
The seller's obviously got issues, and you should have stayed far, far away.
However, since he's flat out telling you that the card is not graded anymore, you've got a legitimate out.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>I won two cards from the guy last night and here is a message that I get tonight >>
Did you contact him at all about shipping charges after the auction ended?
After reading the message he sent you, it seems like there might have been previous contact that you didn't mention.
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<< <i>I won two cards from the guy last night and here is a message that I get tonight >>
Did you contact him at all about shipping charges after the auction ended?
After reading the message he sent you, it seems like there might have been previous contact that you didn't mention. >>
that's the way I read it too. The seller's email sure sounds like a reply to me, not an unsolicited 'pay me' email.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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<< <i>pay for both individually.
tell him that you expect them to be shipped separately. >>
EXACTLY!!! Then, if they're packed together, NEG!
That's always been how I've rolled.
tell him that you expect them to be shipped separately.
I like this approach too.
The seller is a dirtbag.
The buyer was VERY foolish to bid.
FB rcd
FB left
If I foolishly bid on that bogus listing, I would not pay.
I would answer the NPB "correctly" and retain my right
to NEG the seller.
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<< <i>pay for both individually.
tell him that you expect them to be shipped separately. >>
EXACTLY!!! Then, if they're packed together, NEG!
That's always been how I've rolled. >>
I don''t get this attitude. He doesn't hide the fact in his listing that his shipping was $6.01, nor does he mention discounts at all. In fact, it's pretty clear from his description that he's playing hardball on the shipping. How anyone in good conscience can look to hammer this guy for simply doing what he clearly said he was doing just doesn't compute for me.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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"...How anyone in good conscience can look to hammer this guy for simply doing what he clearly said he was doing just doesn't compute for me...."
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His listing is a clear violation of the EBAY TOS that ALL
honest sellers are forced to comply with.
That he is "honest" about his intentions to burn EBAY
and his customers does not mitigate his bad conduct.
His apparent "rude" communication further indicates
that he is a nogoodnik.
His FB left for others tells me ALL I need to know about
him.
<< <i>"...How anyone in good conscience can look to hammer this guy for simply doing what he clearly said he was doing just doesn't compute for me...."
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His listing is a clear violation of the EBAY TOS that ALL
honest sellers are forced to comply with.
That he is "honest" about his intentions to burn EBAY
and his customers does not mitigate his bad conduct.
His apparent "rude" communication further indicates
that he is a nogoodnik.
His FB left for others tells me ALL I need to know about
him. >>
Which is why you don't even BID on his stuff. No debate there, IMO. But once you DO bid/win an auction with him, then you live up to your part of the deal.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
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<< <i>I won two cards from the guy last night and here is a message that I get tonight >>
Did you contact him at all about shipping charges after the auction ended?
After reading the message he sent you, it seems like there might have been previous contact that you didn't mention. >>
that's the way I read it too. The seller's email sure sounds like a reply to me, not an unsolicited 'pay me' email. >>
I had not communicated with him, he sent his THIRD email to me. I know he seemed a bit shady but my max bid was a buck....
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>I had not communicated with him, he sent his THIRD email to me. >>
Then I agree with your opinion about him being "Nutty".
This is a real mess. The seller violated Ebay shipping policy and the Item is not as described in the listing. This auction should be voided.
Please tell us how we can help now? Do you want us to go to the completed auction and report to ebay about the listing violation? Provide the link to both auctions. I will do my part and report the shipping violation for what its worth assuming ebay still listens to reports like this.
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<< <i>I won two cards from the guy last night and here is a message that I get tonight >>
Did you contact him at all about shipping charges after the auction ended?
After reading the message he sent you, it seems like there might have been previous contact that you didn't mention. >>
that's the way I read it too. The seller's email sure sounds like a reply to me, not an unsolicited 'pay me' email. >>
I had not communicated with him, he sent his THIRD email to me. I know he seemed a bit shady but my max bid was a buck.... >>
No, your max bid was a buck PLUS shipping. You HAVE to bid that way; I've passed on a lot of $1 auctions because of high shipping.
EDIT: just to put a bow around it for me., I'm not disputing that he violated shipping rules or skirted the rules on item description, although anyone with eyes can see it's not graded from the pic. All I'm saying is that it seems like a deal is a deal, whether the seller is a d!ck or not. SO far, eh hasn't done ANYTHING shady TOWARDS YOU (assuming to knew that the card was raw), yet you seem to be asking permission to welch on the deal.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>He listed the card as BGS 9.5. >>
He did? I thought he simply stated that 'it graded out as a 9.5'
If it was me I'd prolly send the guy 1.98 and tell him to keep his cards.
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<< <i>I had not communicated with him, he sent his THIRD email to me. >>
Then I agree with your opinion about him being "Nutty". >>
as a fruitcake
I have two words for him and they aren't Merry Christmas
He claimed he had paid as much as $100 per card and was quite adament they were worth a great deal and his shipping was not a bog problem.
I will let you know how the card looks when I get mine.
(2) As a seller, I dont have a problem with him listing a high shipping cost as I realize that its nearly impossible for low volume sellers to make a profit to the "get something for nothing" crowd that litters ebay now. In the end, try to remember that eBay is the enemy, not other sellers.
(3) If he listed a card as BGS 9.5, then he definitely deserves a SNAD.
In the end, it is obvious this seller is a total DB, but NOT because of his tactics of selling, but because he is a DB!!! This buyer/seller warfare that ebay promotes is similar to the class warfare our government promotes. Chaos allows them both to make changes to benefit them, without being noticed that its hurting everyone else. Neg the guy for misleading items...YES!! Call him a DB for the way he emails and the way he says it....YES!!! Ding his ratings because he's at least up front about why is shipping is higher and you knew that before bidding...ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Looking at the fact he is not selling anything and his S/H DSR I am betting Ebay has done dealt with it. Suspensions of selling accounts were handed down this week based on the number od threads complaining about it on the Ebay boards so he probably got his ability to sell taken from him as well.
<< <i>If he fies a UPI and you don't pay then you lose the right to lose any feedback, Ebay has eliminated the response only requirement to be able to leave feedback. The best solution would be a weak positive with 1's on his communication and S/H. Ebay will do the rest as that will most likely cause him to lose his selling ability.
Looking at the fact he is not selling anything and his S/H DSR I am betting Ebay has done dealt with it. Suspensions of selling accounts were handed down this week based on the number od threads complaining about it on the Ebay boards so he probably got his ability to sell taken from him as well. >>
Why a weak positive? If he pays he has the option of neutral or negative, even if he receives the cards. I'm not sure I'd give negative if the cards arrive as described for the agreed upon price, but neutral with 1 star on each detailed category should not be out of the question. The guy is a loser and deserves it, not because he's violating ebay's asinine policies, but because he's brutish, illiterate, incompetent, and extremely rude. He makes Tony from 5dimes look reasonable and considerate. Oh wait, wrong forum, never mind.
Under the current TOS, buyers do NOT automatically lose
their ability to leave FB after a seller files a NPB.
If the buyer simply responds with a valid REASON why he
is not going to pay, his right to leave FB is retained.
If a buyer fails to respond OR responds incorrectly, he will
lose the ability to leave FB on the transaction.
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Acceptable response to a NPB:
"After the listing closed, I discovered that the listing was
fraudulent and/or misleading. The seller was extremely
rude to me and I am not going to do business with him."
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TOS
Losing Feedback privileges
In certain cases, members can lose Feedback privileges. For example, when a buyer doesn't pay for an item, it can affect their Feedback privileges for that transaction.
If a buyer hasn't paid, a seller can open an unpaid item case in the Resolution Center. After the case is opened, the buyer has up to 4 days to pay or reach an agreement with the seller. If the buyer doesn't pay and doesn't respond to the case within 4 days, an unpaid item is recorded on the buyer's account and any Feedback left by that buyer for that transaction is removed. If the buyer didn't leave Feedback yet, they won't be able to once the unpaid item is recorded.
I said a weak positive because that sort of hides you from getting a retaliatory strike by the seller especially if you buy and sell with the same ID. Its harder to track DSRs than it is Negs as far as who left them. Low DSRs are having the same effect if not more effect on sellers than negs are currently.
I think we've all tried to get by on a few eBay transactions ourselves, so let's not be quick to flame this guy.
Patrick
I got my card in the mail today and this is most likely a mint card. I could tell by the pics these were very nice cards. The shipping is a whole different deal. The card came in a PWE and the total cost was $1.22 for shipping with a charge of $6.01. The seller made it very clear he has insane shipping costs but as described the card was very nice and did indeed arive as I had hoped.
Charging this much for shipping with such brutal packaging for the price only hurts him in the long run.
I am very pleased because this is a very tough card to find in high grade and my total cost was $21.01 and with a $4.50 grading fee if this grades mint I am still in the money.
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I got my card in the mail today and this is most likely a mint card. I could tell by the pics these were very nice cards. The shipping is a whole different deal. The card came in a PWE and the total cost was $1.22 for shipping with a charge of $6.01. The seller made it very clear he has insane shipping costs but as described the card was very nice and did indeed arive as I had hoped.
Charging this much for shipping with such brutal packaging for the price only hurts him in the long run.
I am very pleased because this is a very tough card to find in high grade and my total cost was $21.01 and with a $4.50 grading fee if this grades mint I am still in the money. >>
Great looking card, Duggan's ugly mug notwithstanding.
Anyway, glad it worked out and at least it shipped in a card saver. I got small lot of "NM-MT" cards today shipped naked in a plastic team set box. I've also gotten "NM-MT" cards stuffed 3-4 to a toploader. I'm waiting to actually get some taped directly to cardboard.
Some sellers just don't get it - it isn't usually the shipping costs that get then neg'd; it's the combination of the cost and the care in packaging.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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The purple cards in these sets are so tough becuase the slightest bit of wear and you have NM or NM-MT. I have high hopes for this one.