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The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
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<< <i>The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
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Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm.
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<< <i>The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
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Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm. >>
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Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm. >>
Don't want anyone to find out how corrupt many of these governments are.
<< <i>Don't want anyone to find out how corrupt many of these governments are. >>
Of course not... that would be democratic.
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<< <i>Don't want anyone to find out how corrupt many of these governments are. >>
Of course not... that would be democratic. >>
None of these leaks seemed to shed any new light on corruption, but it DID "out" a lot people talking off the record in an attempt to get things done.
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<< <i>The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
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Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm. >>
Are you only "for freedom of information" when it doesn't cause discomfort to the people for whom you hold so much reverence? Do you apply the same standard to all news organizations? What are your feelings on collateral damage in general?
If we're lucky, more organizations like Wikileaks will sprout up as this one falls to the wayside. If we're REALLY lucky, government employees will learn to always behave as if the population cares what they're doing and how they're doing it. Because, ya know, that's like the whole thing about a democratic republic.
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<< <i>The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
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Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm. >>
Are you only "for freedom of information" when it doesn't cause discomfort to the people for whom you hold so much reverence? Do you apply the same standard to all news organizations? What are your feelings on collateral damage in general?
If we're lucky, more organizations like Wikileaks will sprout up as this one falls to the wayside. If we're REALLY lucky, government employees will learn to always behave as if the population cares what they're doing and how they're doing it. Because, ya know, that's like the whole thing about a democratic republic. >>
Yeah, of course all negotiations, back-channel attempts to change people's minds, and effect positive change have to be done in the open. Yeah, THAT's gonna work.
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I believe I've passed the age of consciousness & righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view,
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right
Unlike the writer of that piece, I don't agree that just surviving is always a noble fight. Sometimes, in certain situations, it would be better to die than to compromise on principles. But I also recognize that no matter what happens to me, life will go on no matter who is wrong or right, and I have very little significance in the big picture. I am the angry young man.
<< <i>But I also recognize that no matter what happens to me, life will go on no matter who is wrong or right, and I have very little significance in the big picture. >>
That's a very sad perspective to have on life. Personally, I'm creating a legacy. What we do in life echos in eternity.
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<< <i>That's a very sad perspective to have on life. Personally, I'm creating a legacy. What we do in life echos in eternity.
If that helps you sleep better at night......
There are a lot of things about my perspective on life that are sad, no doubt, but I disagree that this is one of them. The entire idea of a "legacy" is too narcissistic for me to understand.
From men with much wisdom:
"I’m a personal optimist, but a skeptic about all else. What may sound to some like anger, is really nothing more than sympathetic contempt. I view my species with a combination of wonder and pity, and I root for its destruction. And please don’t confuse my point of view with cynicism–the real cynics are the ones who tell you everything’s gonna be all right." -- George Carlin
I'm runnin' through the forest
With this wolf at my heels
My king is lost at midnight
When the tower bells peal
We've got no fairytale ending
In God's hands our fate is complete
Your heaven's here in my heart
Our love's this dust beneath my feet
Just this dust beneath my feet
If I'm gonna live
I'll life my life
Darlin' to you
-- Springsteen
<< <i>The entire idea of a "legacy" is too narcissistic for me to understand. >>
If you wish to live an empty life and die a pointless death with a 0 sum total for your life, that's your choice.
However, it does appear that the "legacy" of words and ideas espoused by a few entertainers has left marks on your life and mind.
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What we do may reverberate in a butterfly-effect-sense for thousands of years, but its relevance will only be observable and understandable in any measurable way for maybe, at most, several hundred years, and that's only if the human race survives that long, which in my mind, is a huge gamble. In the context of the universe, a few hundred years is a completely insignificant amount of time. Rather than trying (and likely failing) to leave some sort of legacy for the future that will inevitably involve causing undue harm in the present to those who don't deserve it, I'd rather live a life in which I minimize the harm I cause while garnering some semblance of enjoyment for myself out of certain interests (such as collecting cards and autographs for example).
And if not a single soul remembers a thing about me when I'm gone, I'm fine with that. My "legacy," if you want to call it that, will have been created and experienced by those who share experiences with me in the here and now, not by anyone who longs for me after I'm gone.
It's possible to obtain pleasurable experiences in the present, appreciating the little things (like watching two bags of chips fall to the bottom of the vending machine when I only paid for one, or hitting a series of consecutive green lights on my way home from work), while at the same time understanding that 300 years from now, it won't make a bit of difference to anybody or any thing how many bags of chips I ate from the vending machine last week. I guess what I'm saying is that the consciousness of so-called intelligent beings is fleeting and insignificant, and too many people make too big a deal out of it, and in doing so, declare an unjustifiable (and rather silly) level of self-importance. That's what I was trying to get at in my earlier post. The earth is going to spin around the sun whether or not you're here to experience it.
<< <i>I guess what I'm saying is that the consciousness of so-called intelligent beings is fleeting and insignificant, and too many people make too big a deal out of it, and in doing so, declare an unjustifiable (and rather silly) level of self-importance. >>
Existential nihilism is meaningless.
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<< <i>The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
Link >>
Glad to hear it!! While I'm all for freedom of information in theory, the simple fact of the matter is that unfettered public access to all inner working and communications of governments can do untold amounts of harm. >>
Are you only "for freedom of information" when it doesn't cause discomfort to the people for whom you hold so much reverence? Do you apply the same standard to all news organizations? What are your feelings on collateral damage in general?
If we're lucky, more organizations like Wikileaks will sprout up as this one falls to the wayside. If we're REALLY lucky, government employees will learn to always behave as if the population cares what they're doing and how they're doing it. Because, ya know, that's like the whole thing about a democratic republic. >>
Yeah, of course all negotiations, back-channel attempts to change people's minds, and effect positive change have to be done in the open. Yeah, THAT's gonna work.
When it comes to effecting sweeping positive changes, no method has worked 100% of the time. Surely you didn't think the federal goverment was a well-oiled machine prior to the existence of Wikileaks?
I prefer transparency of government because I do not trust people in power implicitly and I have no reverence for the fallible human beings we've elected. I believe that the postive effects of holding government employees/entities to a higher standard of exposure far outweighs the negatives of losing some of those "back-channel" deals. Accountability eventually breeds integrity and forces our leaders to be on the side of reason and logic when determining policy. Open government is pie in the sky but it is worth hoping for.
I have no special love for Wikileaks, but it is encouraging that such organizations exist and occasionally have some effect on the discourse.
<< <i> The entire idea of a "legacy" is too narcissistic for me to understand.
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Yet then you quote two geniuses who have left or are leaving legacies.
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Yet then you quote two geniuses who have left or are leaving legacies. >>
CrazyMind said that the idea of a "legacy" is narcissistic. He never said that people who have lived have never said anything useful or worth quoting.
Learn to read.
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<< <i>I guess what I'm saying is that the consciousness of so-called intelligent beings is fleeting and insignificant, and too many people make too big a deal out of it, and in doing so, declare an unjustifiable (and rather silly) level of self-importance. >>
Existential nihilism is meaningless.
Meaningfulness is relative. His nihilism has value to him and your legacy has value to you. You're both right.
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<< <i> The entire idea of a "legacy" is too narcissistic for me to understand.
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Yet then you quote two geniuses who have left or are leaving legacies. >>
CrazyMind said that the idea of a "legacy" is narcissistic. He never said that people who have lived have never said anything useful or worth quoting.
Learn to read. >>
I read quite well, TYVM.
By saying that the idea of leaving a legacy is narcissistic, he is casting it in a negative light. Yet then he proves quite clearly that what others have said (e.g. their legacy, if you will) is meaningful and valuable in some way.
Oh, and here's a tip - learn to have a debate without casting aspersions.
EDITED FOR TONE. Unfounded personal attacks tend to get an escalated response from me.
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<< <i>When it comes to effecting sweeping positive changes, no method has worked 100% of the time. Surely you didn't think the federal goverment was a well-oiled machine prior to the existence of Wikileaks?
I prefer transparency of government because I do not trust people in power implicitly and I have no reverence for the fallible human beings we've elected. I believe that the postive effects of holding government employees/entities to a higher standard of exposure far outweighs the negatives of losing some of those "back-channel" deals. Accountability eventually breeds integrity and forces our leaders to be on the side of reason and logic when determining policy. Open government is pie in the sky but it is worth hoping for.
I have no special love for Wikileaks, but it is encouraging that such organizations exist and occasionally have some effect on the discourse. >>
There's a part of me that agrees with you wholeheartedly. There's another part that would rather cut off my nose to spite my face and says if we can't achieve perfection and achieve it now, it would be better to just hope a giant asteroid hits the earth and wipes all us pathetic souls out for good. At least that would curtail all the suffering caused by human beings. The loss of collective and individual consciousness would be well worth it in my opinion.
And thanks for defending me on the other stuff. In a way, the above paragraph summarizes and clarifies everything I was trying to express in a drunken state several hours ago.
<< <i>By saying that the idea of leaving a legacy is narcissistic, he is casting it in a negative light. Yet then he proves quite clearly that what others have said (e.g. their legacy, if you will) is meaningful and valuable in some way. >>
If you want to attach a legacy to individuals, that's part of what I perceive as negative. You focus on the individuals. I focus on the ideas.
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<< <i>By saying that the idea of leaving a legacy is narcissistic, he is casting it in a negative light. Yet then he proves quite clearly that what others have said (e.g. their legacy, if you will) is meaningful and valuable in some way. >>
If you want to attach a legacy to individuals, that's part of what I perceive as negative. You focus on the individuals. I focus on the ideas. >>
Does that mean you only collect "team cards" but none of individuals?
"Nihilists! F--- me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
"Are these the Nazis, Walter?"
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of."
<< <i>"Nihilists! F--- me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
"Are these the Nazis, Walter?"
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of." >>
One thing we DON'T get enough of is BigL quotes...
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