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3rd Dateless 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter found in Junk Silver ( Grade in first post)

SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
Grade just posted
1 1 18625919 5704 1916 25C Standing Liberty US PO01


This is the Third my friend's found in Junk silver in two years,, talk about Lucky !!!
And this one will Grade (other two were genuine)
But what do you think it'll Grade ???

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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    I'd call this one a poor. But nice find!
  • toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...AG-2
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington

  • Would you clue us in please what the markers are
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To me a dateless 1916 wouldn't be worth much more than silver. It is the date you want.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FR-2 and definitely worth some money (to somebody)

    Tom

  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭
    FR02. Nice find! No doubt it's a 16.

    -Paul
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  • clearly a 16 and clearly a FR-2. Getting close to a PO-1 though
  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    Nice find.
    Shield style and drapery detail are sure signs of a 16 SLQ, even at this heavily worn grade level.
  • sonofagunksonofagunk Posts: 1,349 ✭✭
    price guide for grade 04 is $3K, so this has to be worth something to someone
  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    I know how many collectors feel with regard to dateless SLQs, but for those on a tighter budget, a dateless 1916 will make a dream come true; a complete date/mintmark set of Standing Liberty quarters!

    Can anything in life be more exciting than that?????
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To me a dateless 1916 wouldn't be worth much more than silver. It is the date you want.

    It's still a bonafide 1-yr type coin and recognizable without the date present. The lack of a properly protected date made the date disappear long before the details did. Hence a coin with some reasonable detail left yet no date.

    Are the following worth melt in dateless condition? 1793 chain cent, 1796 quarter, 1796/97 half dollar, 1836 RE half, 1794/95 Flowing hair dollar, etc.

    roadrunner
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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭


    << <i>To me a dateless 1916 wouldn't be worth much more than silver. It is the date you want.

    It's still a bonafide 1-yr type coin and recognizable without the date present. The lack of a properly protected date made the date disappear long before the details did. Hence a coin with some reasonable detail left yet no date.

    Are the following worth melt in dateless condition? 1793 chain cent, 1796 quarter, 1796/97 half dollar, 1836 RE half, 1794/95 Flowing hair dollar, etc.

    roadrunner >>


    Yes roadrunner, I have nothing to add to this, as it's the perfect answer.
  • Wow, way to go Smitty!! I have found 2 within the last 8 months in junk silver lots, so I have some work to do to catch up with you over the next year...;-) Here are mine for comparison, and they both graded FR02 at ANACS. The weaker one(the top one) sold on ebay with a BIN of $1,100 within 12 hours of posting it, so yes, they are definitely valuable. I kept the bottom one for my collection. Yours looks a little bit weaker than mine, but still might pull a FR02 on a good day at ANACS imho. It would probably only grade PR at PCGS, since they seem to be a bit tighter on these lately from what I've seen. Anyways, finding these in junk silver has been my most satisfying numismatic experiences so far.


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  • razzlerazzle Posts: 987 ✭✭✭
    Reading this thread prompted me to go through some old stuff. I got my hopes up on this one.

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  • I'm sorry razzle, that one is undoubtedly a 1917.
    All coins kept in safety deposit box.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭
    ...this marker pic is from a past post by rld14. image hope it is helpful.



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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fair-02.

    NICE FIND!!
    When in doubt, don't.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Roadrunner and veryfine -

    You overlooked the keyword (actually 2 words) in my statement....."to me". I didn't mean to imply it was worthless. But I really wouldn't want it. Don't get me wrong if someone gave it to me I would take it and sell it for as much of that 3K as I could get! image
  • razzlerazzle Posts: 987 ✭✭✭
    Aaarrgghh! Another crushing blow to hoarders playing at home. One of these days...

    I posted that prematurely. I wanted to say thanks to Johnny and Tahoe for the quick response even though it's not what I wanted to hear.

    I do not have a reference on the distinctions between the 16 and 17 in variety 1. I'm going to look up the thread that Tahoe cited to see if I can learn a little more.
    Markets (governments) can remain irrational longer than an investor can remain solvent.
  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Roadrunner and veryfine -

    You overlooked the keyword (actually 2 words) in my statement....."to me". I didn't mean to imply it was worthless. But I really wouldn't want it. Don't get me wrong if someone gave it to me I would take it and sell it for as much of that 3K as I could get! image >>


    I didn't overlook the keywords, and I feel the same way you do, with a preference for full date SLQs.
    I knew you really didn't see it as a "worthless" coin. If you did, I'd ask you to send all your useless garbage to me.image
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    goood for you. thats a great feat all inself. i hope someday you can get one with a date on it image best wishes
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    nice find and marker education, thanks!
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    You have a very lucky friend!image
    Becky
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not long ago I made an animated GIF dissolving a 1916 SLQ into a 1917, trying to spot the differences (I would post it here but the images were high-resolution and the file size was enormous). I actually caught one pick-up point that I've never heard mentioned elsewhere, and which should be visible on even the most worn specimen.

    If you look at the incuse designer's initial M to the right of the portrait, on a 1916 SLQ the center legs meet about half-way down the letter and the bottom is perfectly vertical. If you covered the top half of the letter you would see three vertical lines. On the 1917 the center legs meet at the very bottom, so if you covered up the top of the initial you would see the two outside vertical lines and a small V in the middle. It is subtle but if you study them closely you can see the difference. Because the initial is incuse on the coin, it should be visible even when most of the obverse is worn away.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • razzlerazzle Posts: 987 ✭✭✭
    seanq-thank you. I'll try that when I get home, just as further confirmation of what I have heard from johnny and Tahoe, and read in prior post search. It is interesting to me to have more and more pick up point distinctions. What I'm noticing most is that I really enjoy the SLQ, even more in the worn, circulated state. It's a beautiful coin, I may commit to trying to chase a collection.
    Markets (governments) can remain irrational longer than an investor can remain solvent.
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1 1 18625919 5704 1916 25C Standing Liberty US PO01
  • rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭


    << <i>...this marker pic is from a past post by rld14. image hope it is helpful.



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    Thanks! I was actually looking for that pic! image
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  • Was this grade from PCGS? If so, I'm not surprised as they seem to be tough on these lately.
    All coins kept in safety deposit box.


  • << <i>Not long ago I made an animated GIF dissolving a 1916 SLQ into a 1917, trying to spot the differences (I would post it here but the images were high-resolution and the file size was enormous). I actually caught one pick-up point that I've never heard mentioned elsewhere, and which should be visible on even the most worn specimen.

    If you look at the incuse designer's initial M to the right of the portrait, on a 1916 SLQ the center legs meet about half-way down the letter and the bottom is perfectly vertical. If you covered the top half of the letter you would see three vertical lines. On the 1917 the center legs meet at the very bottom, so if you covered up the top of the initial you would see the two outside vertical lines and a small V in the middle. It is subtle but if you study them closely you can see the difference. Because the initial is incuse on the coin, it should be visible even when most of the obverse is worn away.


    Sean Reynolds >>



    I'll host the GIF file if you email it to me.

  • Excellent, you guys are great.

    You know i've only been back 2 days and already I've learned so much about this new series i'm delving further and further into!
  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    I just noticed this thread today. Quite educational. How lucky to get both a dateless '16 and '17 SLQ in the same thread for comparison!

    Thanks for posting.

    Cheers!

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  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When you find these in "junk" silver is this bulk lots that you have bought or they in a dealers "junk" box? Either way nice find.
  • Lol, I bet people are getting my thread confused with yours, since we both found our "3rd" one recently. Anyways, if yours only graded a 1, then my latest dateless 16 definitely wont grade more than a 1; since yours is actually quite a bit stronger than the one I just found. Good luck with the ebay sale!! BTW, do you have pictures of the other 2 that were found earlier?
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not long ago I made an animated GIF dissolving a 1916 SLQ into a 1917, trying to spot the differences (I would post it here but the images were high-resolution and the file size was enormous). I actually caught one pick-up point that I've never heard mentioned elsewhere, and which should be visible on even the most worn specimen.

    If you look at the incuse designer's initial M to the right of the portrait, on a 1916 SLQ the center legs meet about half-way down the letter and the bottom is perfectly vertical. If you covered the top half of the letter you would see three vertical lines. On the 1917 the center legs meet at the very bottom, so if you covered up the top of the initial you would see the two outside vertical lines and a small V in the middle. It is subtle but if you study them closely you can see the difference. Because the initial is incuse on the coin, it should be visible even when most of the obverse is worn away.


    Sean Reynolds >>



    I'll host the GIF file if you email it to me. >>




    I'm tagging this so I can remember to send the file to you when I get back to work on Monday - thanks much for the offer.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor


  • << <i>1 1 18625919 5704 1916 25C Standing Liberty US PO01 >>



    I see that this coin just brought $1,100 on ebay.

    I'm quite impressed!
    All coins kept in safety deposit box.

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