older PSA flips, grading standards?

akuracy503

I am looking at a few '56 and '59 topps cards in PSA 7 ranges and notice they have the older rounded red border flips from PSA.
Was curious if these older flips were graded under more scrutiny than they are now or vice versa.

Naturally I'd crack and resub the stronger 7's in the older flip so I can have that warm and fuzzy feeling.

drewsef

it's probably smartest to crack the cards that look the nicest either way

akuracy503

I guess what I want to know is if older flip cards are usually higher quality, through the old grading process.

FFStinger

Alot of people seem to think that, and alot have asked, but PSA always denies it and maintains that there haven't been any grading standards changed over the years.

Just curious. Is there a forum here that allows us to speak directly with someone at PSA?

thunderdan

<< <i>I guess what I want to know is if older flip cards are usually higher quality, through the old grading process. >>



I've heard people arguing both ways. I've seen some in older flips that appear to be nicer for the grade vs. more recently graded counterparts and I've seen the reverse. I don't think there's a standard rule of thumb, unfortunately. You just have to focus on the card in the holder.

Are you guys socked in with snow down south?

akuracy503

Hi Dan, we didnt get it bad like you guys, just an inch or two but the temps are in the 20s and the roads are glazed over.

I heard about the nightmare in Seattle, saw footage of work commuters still stuck on I5 at 1:30 a.m. !!!
And whats up with airplanes sliding off the runway at SeaTac?! geez

thunderdan

<< <i>Hi Dan, we didnt get it bad like you guys, just an inch or two but the temps are in the 20s and the roads are glazed over.

I heard about the nightmare in Seattle, saw footage of work commuters still stuck on I5 at 1:30 a.m. !!!
And whats up with airplanes sliding off the runway at SeaTac?! geez >>



As usual, 3-4 inches of snow shuts down all of greater Seattle <sigh>. People just leaving their cars in the middle of the road and walking home. WTF? It is quite a site to see--we've been here almost 10 years and I'm still not used to that. I grew up in the Rocky Mountains, and I only had school cancelled once and that was when we got 4 ft of snow within 24 hours. Roofs were caving in and power lines where coming down. Here, a few snowflakes and people panic and abandon their cars. lol.

Fortunately, I have a very fast VPN connection and can get a lot done from home today. I will now step off my soap box and roll with it.

MULLINS5

I can't comment on the particular issue you're speaking of, but I know that the '79 Topps Hockey cards that were graded in 2005/6 were graded at a much higher standard than they are now.

ken61

Most collectors seem to think the standards were perhaps not as strict with the old rounded flips. I can't really disagree with this argument, but I do have plenty of nice cards for the grade with the old flips.

I believe an advantage of the old flips is that they have been out of circulation for a long time. When prices for PSA cards skyrocketed about 6-8 years ago, this increased the incentive for extracurricular activity among the ethically-challenged segment of the hobby.

vladguerrero

<< <i>Most collectors seem to think the standards were perhaps not as strict with the old rounded flips. >>



+1

hammered

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<< <i>Hi Dan, we didnt get it bad like you guys, just an inch or two but the temps are in the 20s and the roads are glazed over.

I heard about the nightmare in Seattle, saw footage of work commuters still stuck on I5 at 1:30 a.m. !!!
And whats up with airplanes sliding off the runway at SeaTac?! geez >>



As usual, 3-4 inches of snow shuts down all of greater Seattle <sigh>. People just leaving their cars in the middle of the road and walking home. WTF? It is quite a site to see--we've been here almost 10 years and I'm still not used to that. I grew up in the Rocky Mountains, and I only had school cancelled once and that was when we got 4 ft of snow within 24 hours. Roofs were caving in and power lines where coming down. Here, a few snowflakes and people panic and abandon their cars. lol.

Fortunately, I have a very fast VPN connection and can get a lot done from home today. I will now step off my soap box and roll with it. >>




That's funny
Last Christmas we drove out to visit my folks in the NW (Portland), they got about an inch of snow and we saw exactly what you described - people abandoning their cars and walking. My teenage son said it looked like War of the Worlds.

thunderdan

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<< <i>Hi Dan, we didnt get it bad like you guys, just an inch or two but the temps are in the 20s and the roads are glazed over.

I heard about the nightmare in Seattle, saw footage of work commuters still stuck on I5 at 1:30 a.m. !!!
And whats up with airplanes sliding off the runway at SeaTac?! geez >>



As usual, 3-4 inches of snow shuts down all of greater Seattle <sigh>. People just leaving their cars in the middle of the road and walking home. WTF? It is quite a site to see--we've been here almost 10 years and I'm still not used to that. I grew up in the Rocky Mountains, and I only had school cancelled once and that was when we got 4 ft of snow within 24 hours. Roofs were caving in and power lines where coming down. Here, a few snowflakes and people panic and abandon their cars. lol.

Fortunately, I have a very fast VPN connection and can get a lot done from home today. I will now step off my soap box and roll with it. >>




That's funny
Last Christmas we drove out to visit my folks in the NW (Portland), they got about an inch of snow and we saw exactly what you described - people abandoning their cars and walking. My teenage son said it looked like War of the Worlds. >>



Let's call a spade a spade. People in the NW are total pussies when it comes to snow. That, and the city of Seattle seems to own a grand total of 2 snowplows and continue not to use rock salt. My car body be damned...give me some f*$king traction!!!

akuracy503

Too funny, I gotta say that the news coverage of Seattles condition was a disaster, it's truly a glimpse of what would happen if Shi*T really hit the fan, no one is getting out of that town through I-5.

Yes the whole Pacific NW is challenged by snow, one thing to remember is that we tend to have more moisture content and ice involved with our snow/ice winter storms which makes for different driving skills than straight cold dry powder snow seen in the midwest and east coast.

Hope all is settled down in Seattle!