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1981 MSA test disc

Can anyone confirm these were actually issued in 1981 and just not recently stamped on the back of the blank backed issue seems an odd verbiage to actually say test issue.

81 Rose test disc
81 Bench test Disc

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  • DialjDialj Posts: 1,636 ✭✭
    Here is some informatin regarding the discs from the 2010 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards. I hope this helps, especially the information about them having blank backs with ads. I couldn't find anything regarding 1981.


    1975 Michael Schechter Associates Test Discs

    Prior to rolling out its 70-disc set in 1976, Michael Schecter Associates issued this sample set of discs the previous year. Slightly larger,
    at 3-9/16" diameter, than the ’76 issues, the ’75 sample discs share a similar format. Fronts have a black-and-white player photo from which uniform logo details have been removed due to lack of licensing by Major League Baseball. Backs are blank. The Seaver and Bench discs are considerably scarcer than the other four players in the set.

    Complete Set (6): 175.00 90.00 55.00
    Common Player: 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (1) Hank Aaron 15.00 7.50 4.50
    (2) Johnny Bench 60.00 30.00 18.00
    (3) Catfish Hunter 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (4) Fred Lynn 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (5) Pete Rose 10.00 5.00 3.00
    (6) Tom Seaver 100.00 50.00 30.00


    1976 Michael Schechter Associates Discs

    Following its test issue of 1975, Michael Schechter Associates ran out its baseball player disc issues on a large scale in 1976. While most were sold with specific sponsor advertising on back, they were also made available with blank backs. The discs are 3-3/8" diameter with a black-and-white player portrait photo in the center of the baseball design. A line of red stars is above, while the left and right panels feature
    one of several bright colors. Produced by MSA under license from the Major League Players Association, the player photos have had uniform and cap logos removed. The unnumbered discs are presented in alphabetical order.

    Complete Set (70): 60.00 30.00 18.00
    Common Player: .50 .25 .15
    (1) Henry Aaron 12.50 6.25 3.75
    (2) Johnny Bench 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (3) Vida Blue .50 .25 .15
    (4) Larry Bowa .50 .25 .15
    (5) Lou Brock 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (6) Jeff Burroughs .50 .25 .15
    (7) John Candelaria .50 .25 .15
    (8) Jose Cardenal .50 .25 .15
    (9) Rod Carew 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (10) Steve Carlton 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (11) Dave Cash .50 .25 .15
    (12) Cesar Cedeno .50 .25 .15
    (13) Ron Cey .50 .25 .15
    (14) Carlton Fisk 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (15) Tito Fuentes .50 .25 .15
    (16) Steve Garvey 3.00 1.50 .90
    (17) Ken Griffey .50 .25 .15
    (18) Don Gullett .50 .25 .15
    (19) Willie Horton .50 .25 .15
    (20) Al Hrabosky .50 .25 .15
    (21) Catfish Hunter 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (22) Reggie Jackson (A’s) 9.00 4.50 2.75
    (23) Randy Jones .50 .25 .15
    (24) Jim Kaat .50 .25 .15
    (25) Don Kessinger .50 .25 .15
    (26) Dave Kingman .50 .25 .15
    (27) Jerry Koosman .50 .25 .15
    (28) Mickey Lolich .60 .30 .20
    (29) Greg Luzinski .50 .25 .15
    (30) Fred Lynn .50 .25 .15
    (31) Bill Madlock .50 .25 .15
    (32) Carlos May (White Sox) .50 .25 .15
    (33) John Mayberry .50 .25 .15
    (34) Bake McBride .50 .25 .15
    (35) Doc Medich .50 .25 .15
    (36) Andy Messersmith .50 .25 .15
    (37) Rick Monday .50 .25 .15
    (38) John Montefusco .50 .25 .15
    (39) Jerry Morales .50 .25 .15
    (40) Joe Morgan 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (41) Thurman Munson 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (42) Bobby Murcer .50 .25 .15
    (43) Al Oliver .50 .25 .15
    (44) Jim Palmer 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (45) Dave Parker .50 .25 .15
    (46) Tony Perez 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (47) Jerry Reuss .50 .25 .15
    (48) Brooks Robinson 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (49) Frank Robinson 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (50) Steve Rogers .50 .25 .15
    (51) Pete Rose 10.00 5.00 3.00
    (52) Nolan Ryan 15.00 7.50 4.50
    (53) Manny Sanguillen .50 .25 .15
    (54) Mike Schmidt 10.00 5.00 3.00
    (55) Tom Seaver 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (56) Ted Simmons .50 .25 .15
    (57) Reggie Smith .50 .25 .15
    (58) Willie Stargell 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (59) Rusty Staub .75 .40 .25
    (60) Rennie Stennett .50 .25 .15
    (61) Don Sutton 4.50 2.25 1.25
    (62) Andy Thornton .50 .25 .15
    (63) Luis Tiant .50 .25 .15
    (64) Joe Torre .50 .25 .15
    (65) Mike Tyson .50 .25 .15
    (66) Bob Watson .50 .25 .15
    (67) Wilbur Wood .50 .25 .15
    (68) Jimmy Wynn .50 .25 .15
    (69) Carl Yastrzemski 6.00 3.00 1.75
    (70) Richie Zisk .50 .25 .15
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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    I've been collecting 80's discs for a while and I've never heard of this '81 MSA test set. I've also never seen that stamp on the back of any either.

    Just curious- Do you see small stubs on the outside of the disc that would indicate it was perforated in any way or are the edges smooth?

    -Michael
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  • I don't own either just saw them on eBay and got curious if they were real 81 objects or later stamped.
  • It would be real easy and cheap to make up a stamp for all the blank back
    discs out there. I've got numerous MSA discs, all the backs and
    variations (I think) and have never seen that back.

    If I had to bet, I'd say it is not real.
  • It appears those discs are smaller (size of wiffle and Burger Chef). Also
    the letters MSA on the right only appear (I think) on the cup lids.

    Also, Rose went to Philly after the 78 season.

    I don't know, they could be legit. Who knows, my Standard
    Catolog doesn't list them, but it's an old one.



  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    well since those are my scans i will comment! they are the actual size of the 81 sunbeam blank discs. the are larger than the wiffle and burger chef discs. this was the first time msa made a disc that size and made some promo discs to sell to employees from what i was told, true or false i dont know. the print stamp is old for sure, not something somebody made up recently. psa authenticated the rose disc a psa 8. i have 2 sets of these. thats about all i know.
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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    My father received some of them in his supermarket in 1981 -- so I can confirm their authenticity.

    M
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  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    thanks mark for the info. congrats on the fleer no number, my snipe didnt fire. grrrr, congrats
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>well since those are my scans i will comment! they are the actual size of the 81 sunbeam blank discs. the are larger than the wiffle and burger chef discs. this was the first time msa made a disc that size and made some promo discs to sell to employees from what i was told, true or false i dont know. the print stamp is old for sure, not something somebody made up recently. psa authenticated the rose disc a psa 8. i have 2 sets of these. thats about all i know. >>



    So you were told that MSA made these discs to SELL to employees? The back of the disc is stamped "free sample". Why would they sell free samples? Odd...
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  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    are you asking me that question?. if so dont have a answer for you directly. read the post above from mark or call msa.
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
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