I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same.
I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same. >>
So much for the allure. The first post appears to show that these coins are in the new NGC prong holders.
I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same. >>
So much for the allure. The first post appears to show that these coins are in the new NGC prong holders. >>
they are. What was really neat looking at these coins today is that I really didn't look at the grades to see if I agreed or disagreed (except one for which Ed asked my opinion)...I just looked to appreciate some FRESH, cool coins.
It doesn't matter what the grades are... the coins are truly awesome ! I am happy that many of you got a chance to see these beauties ! All I will tell you now is the average grade for the 6 coins in this set is just about ms65.
Has the location of where they were found in New England, been discovered yet? Being from Mass, and having a place in NH, I have been really waiting/wanting to find out where these came from. I may have to start going church to church, with a Sawzall, cutting posts off churches all over New England!!! Though, with all the churches/church property being sold (at least in the Boston area Archdiocese) to pay for past 'mistakes' by priests (I'm being very kind and non-political with the word 'mistakes), there may not be many left soon. The sit-ins (after a few years, can they be called squatters?). Some churches (with their hardcore parishoners) have literally had people have 'sit-ins' (rotating people daily, but always having at least a half-dozen or more people in them at a time) for a couple years now (I know of one in Sudbury, Mass thats been going on for over 2 years now)...this can only go on for so long. Once these churches in the area, that are slated for closure/sale, which are now held 'hostage', are finally vacated, all thats going to happen is a bull-dozer and a front-end loader will be brought in, knock it down, and.......hell, I better get that Sawzall and start during winter break.
If putting the coins into a slab ruins the allure, that must mean the king of siam set must be a dead dull group.
More impressive would be to keep the set together so that the story stays with it, but also saying the grades on it dont mean anything is mostly bogus.
This is probably the only set ever to have been buried like such in a church so that means they are all one of a kind. Separate any one coin from the group and the coin is just a regular 1872 high grade specimen.
I'm just saying it seems to defy the odds that 2/3 of the coins as submitted were plussed (ie high end). That means either NGC was stingy in not giving out the higher grade on some of these due to the unusual toning patterns, or that they were loose in giving out plusses because of the total "original" package that this group represented. But it could be either (or neither) case. How often would any random group of coins come back 66% plussed when the plus sign only represents 1/3 of a mint state grading point?
There haven't been any comments in this thread about sticky tape being found on the surfaces of these coins. Whether it was or not, there are probably some perfectly safe solvents to remove it without disturbing the luster or toning....which looks to have worked out just fine. I'd be interested in more details on how these coins were wrapped. It's possible that tape was only used to keep smaller pieces of cardboard in place.
<< <i>I'm just saying it seems to defy the odds that 2/3 of the coins as submitted were plussed (ie high end). That means either NGC was stingy in not giving out the higher grade on some of these due to the unusual toning patterns, or that they were loose in giving out plusses because of the total "original" package that this group represented. But it could be either (or neither) case. How often would any random group of coins come back 66% plussed when the plus sign only represents 1/3 of a mint state grading point?
roadrunner >>
How can one not agree with what yous tated.
But another thing bothers me. How can coins go thru the NCS mill, get conserved and then transported over to the NGC and graded and given the + to boot. NCS knows the coin(s) were messed with in some way, but it becomes hush hush unless someone can sport the conserved ie changed coin. It just seems to me that if a coin is conserved then it just shouldn't deserve the plus because the coin is not original...any way jmho on the matter. Don't get me wrong this particular set of coins is uber in cool, but we know the coins all had a flaw, tape residue on the surfaces of the coin, the coins had to be messed with in some way to remove the tape residue, and therefore the originality is compromised but not noted and basically ignored. >>
I must have missed the statement that these coins were sent through NCS. Could you please point it out for me?
Just back from the Westford show and I saw this thread.... Who ever said these coins were NCS.. CONSERVED ? These coins have in no way shape or form been conserved !! The appearance of tape on the holders almost looks like cellophane.... and certainly isn't sticky at all! Its amazing at the response from everyone that see's these coins. I want to keep the set together .... but some of the offers for the individual coins are certainly tempting to take.
Everything crossed at the same grade with the exception of the 2 center and the quarter. The dime is now finest known at 66+ seeing as the only 67 has crossed to a 68 NGC.
YES, I will have the set at the Fun Show ..... I'm at table 305 with something for everyone..... Stop on by and check everything out..... and Happy New Year to everyone !!!
<< <i>YES, I will have the set at the Fun Show ..... I'm at table 305 with something for everyone..... Stop on by and check everything out..... and Happy New Year to everyone !!! >>
cool...I will expect to see some nice CAPPED BUST half dimes
Well.... as sad as it may be... there are Individual Collectors that are quite happy that they bought their piece of history. Also the 2 center became the finest known double die obverse at 65+
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<< <i>Can you post the grades of each coin? >>
I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same.
<< <i>I liked the two cent piece the best. >>
Yeah, me too. But next time find a Small Motto looking like that. I hate to be particular...
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<< <i>Can you post the grades of each coin? >>
I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same. >>
So much for the allure. The first post appears to show that these coins are in the new NGC prong holders.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
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<< <i>Can you post the grades of each coin? >>
I for one would hope that this set never ends up in third-party holders. I would think that would take away a lot of the allure. Coins like this with a story like this do not need third-party grades, plus signs, stars, stickers, etc., to be appreciated by collectors. At the minimum, I would hope that this set remains intact, together with the documentation on the find and any supporting affidavits, after having thoroughly investigated and researched same. >>
So much for the allure. The first post appears to show that these coins are in the new NGC prong holders. >>
they are. What was really neat looking at these coins today is that I really didn't look at the grades to see if I agreed or disagreed (except one for which Ed asked my opinion)...I just looked to appreciate some FRESH, cool coins.
<< <i>So much for the allure. The first post appears to show that these coins are in the new NGC prong holders. >>
Oops, my bad. At least they're still together in a set.
For the time being, anyway...
Absolutely Incredible find!
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More impressive would be to keep the set together so that the story stays with it, but also saying the grades on it dont mean anything is mostly bogus.
This is probably the only set ever to have been buried like such in a church so that means they are all one of a kind. Separate any one coin from the group and the coin is just a regular 1872 high grade specimen.
$1 62
50c 64+
25c 65
10c 66+
h10c 65+
2c 65+bn
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50c 64+
25c 65
10c 66+
h10c 65+
2c 65+bn
I find it very interesting that 2/3 of the coins graded +.
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<< <i>I'm just saying it seems to defy the odds that 2/3 of the coins as submitted were plussed (ie high end). That means either NGC was stingy in not giving out the higher grade on some of these due to the unusual toning patterns, or that they were loose in giving out plusses because of the total "original" package that this group represented. But it could be either (or neither) case. How often would any random group of coins come back 66% plussed when the plus sign only represents 1/3 of a mint state grading point?
roadrunner >>
How can one not agree with what yous tated.
But another thing bothers me. How can coins go thru the NCS mill, get conserved and then transported over to the NGC and graded and given the + to boot. NCS knows the coin(s) were messed with in some way, but it becomes hush hush unless someone can sport the conserved ie changed coin. It just seems to me that if a coin is conserved then it just shouldn't deserve the plus because the coin is not original...any way jmho on the matter. Don't get me wrong this particular set of coins is uber in cool, but we know the coins all had a flaw, tape residue on the surfaces of the coin, the coins had to be messed with in some way to remove the tape residue, and therefore the originality is compromised but not noted and basically ignored.
I must have missed the statement that these coins were sent through NCS. Could you please point it out for me?
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
AB
<< <i>YES, I will have the set at the Fun Show ..... I'm at table 305 with something for everyone..... Stop on by and check everything out..... and Happy New Year to everyone !!! >>
cool...I will expect to see some nice CAPPED BUST half dimes
Ed,
I'm at table 643 - and I'll make it a point to stop by
your table. Great looking set of coins !!
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