Stewart Blay #1 Flying Eagle...How?
MarkBen
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Congratulations to Stewart Blay, who re-claimed the #1 spot today for Flying Eagle Circulation strikes, major varieties. ("The Best" collection)
So Stewart, can you tell us how you did it? Did you obtain one of the 1856s in MS66?
So Stewart, can you tell us how you did it? Did you obtain one of the 1856s in MS66?
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The 1856 MS66 population has increased from 2 to 3, Congrats to Stewart!!
<< <i>When I checked the population reports, I noticed that there is now one 1856 that is graded 65+. So, I'm taking a guess that Stewart sent in his 1856 and got it "re-upgraded" to 65+. There are still two that are graded MS66. >>
Sorry, I jumped the gun.
I stand corrected, Stewart's 1856 S-3 MS65 has been upgraded to MS 65+.
Congratulations on reclaiming the lead, but remember what you once told me "you never stop upgrading your collection". Those MS66's still loom large out there....
Jonathan
However, I thought I remembered hearing that PCGS will now only grade the 1856 as a Proof and not as an MS coin. I searched the PCGS website to confirm, but couldn't find anything... was I just imagining that??? Seems so if they just graded one an MS65+.
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Illini 420 - Proof is a method of manufacture. A mint state coin is also a method of manufacture. I don't think any 1856 was made to be circulated but some have been made as mint state coins. I believe PCGS will call mint state coins as such if they look like mint state coins and Proof coins such if they were made as such. I would advise collectors to buy only PCGS coins gRaded ms 64+ or better if they want to own a mint state example.I would also recommend the coin to be shown to Brian Wagner, Rick Snow or myself for an opinion.
Stewart Blay
<< <i>.....I would also recommend the coin to be shown to Brian Wagner, Rick Snow or myself for an opinion.
Stewart Blay >>
So, Stewie.....are you going to have your own sticker too?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
As always, thanks for the illuminating clarification. Brian Wagner also reminded me of this. I also understand your staying with the coin that you “like more”, irrespective of the grade. I also have passed on coins in higher grade that do not match my personal liking. As has been said many times before, "buy the coin, not the holder".
Take care,
Jonathan
Can you post a pic?
Proof Cents - I opened my set up and you can view my 1856.
Stewart
What a Coin!!!!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
Here is a picture of the coin that Stewart mentions in this thread. Once owned by Dr Tim Larson.
Good observations Dan ! Perhaps someone can post the 1856 S-3 MS 66 from the Joseph Gorell sale during the January 2003 Heritage FUN sale.
My observation would persuade one to believe that both the ex. Dr. Larsen coin and my coin should also grade MS 66.
Stewart Blay
<< <i>Stewart: The 1856 FE that you describe as S-9 is actually the S-5 die variety. It is featured on the cover of the June 2000 Superior auction catalog where the dot under the U is obvious. The second edition Snow book, which contained important revised information, does not mention proof when describing this variety. Also, PCGS has seen the coin several times and has confirmed its mint state grade. >>
Zep,
Your are correct.
Alan Epsteins 1856 is the S-5 variety, graded MS66 by PCGS. The other PCGS MS66 is the S-3 variety.
The story on the 1856 S-3 PCGS MS 66 is:
Eagle Eye Rare coins (Rick Snow and Brian Wagner) purchased this coin from Heritage for about $18,500 in 1996. We then sold it to Joe Gorrell.
Joe Gorrell's entire collection was sold in January 2003 at the Heritage FUN auction. Jay Parino bought the coin out of that auction for $103,500. The next year at the same show, the coins sells again, this time for $172,500!
Stewart
<< <i>Zep - You are correct ! It is an S-5. It is certified by PCGS as an MS 66 and not a Proof. However myself and several other numismatists who viewed the coin believe it was struck as a proof. It is a gorgeous coin but does not have mint state(cartwheel) luster and the surfaces are highly reflective.
Stewart >>
I believe Rick Snow considers the S-5 variety a proof striking.
Click the link below, It will take you to the Heritage archive where you can view the 1856 S-3 PCGS MS66 coin,
1856 S-3 PCGS MS66 Fly Eagle Cent
At any rate, since we are drooling over your pictures, how about a peak at the Princess? (1877).
<< <i>Well, Stewart, the pictures of that 1856 are amazing. That's quite a set, although I think I have the best 1858/7.
At any rate, since we are drooling over your pictures, how about a peak at the Princess? (1877). >>
I have owned your 1858/7 and have seen 2 others. I would agree with you,
Here is Stewart's 1877! the best!
Stewart, how about trying for the + on this one?
Do you think either my 1856 or my 1877 should upgrade instead of just a plus ?
MarkBen - I will agree with you that you probably have the nicest 1858/7. I will also say I rate mine ahead of Tom Benders.
Stewart
<< <i>Hi Brian,
Do you think either my 1856 or my 1877 should upgrade instead of just a plus ?
MarkBen - I will agree with you that you probably have the nicest 1858/7. I will also say I rate mine ahead of Tom Benders.
Stewart >>
If I was in the position to call the grades of your two coins. I would give each of them a full point upgrade.
Well done. That is an impressive 1856! Imagine if that coin could talk.
Duane
Stewart, how is Dino's acumen with regards to these?
Gary
Dino is pretty darn good. He showed me the 1858/7 MS 65 after he made it .I was impressed ! I would like to see his variety collection . It is suppose to be the Best !
Stewart