Who are the "new" great dealers.....?
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Interesting.... I was at the Melville show today (a nice local LI show) that I used to set up years ago and nowadays pop in once and awhile to see whats happening in that area.... sorry for the sidetrack.... I was talking to a dealer and we started talking about 4 of the really great older dealers who had passed away in the last year...... thinking about that and looking around I began to wonder who is steppin to fill their shows.....honestly.....only 1 came to mind...and that was Lorainne from L&T coins....except that Lorainne isnt really new....shes been around for a number of years....but I guess if you are a dealer and you arent over 65 than your still new....LOL so I poise the question.....in your area...who would you say is new, upcoming.... and what you would say is the real deal?
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Robby with The Reeded Edge is sharp
Wei Chang
Will Robbins
Rob aka LordMarcovan although i can already hear him cringing at the thought of being referred to as a 'dealer' but he has handled darn near every type of coin from around the globe
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Would this be the Rob in the PCGS lawsuit?
There are plenty of kids coming up. You will not notice them until the "old guard" retires.
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Would this be the Rob in the PCGS lawsuit? >>
Where did you get that from? Just because there was a Rob in the lawsuit? MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Would this be the Rob in the PCGS lawsuit? >>
Where did you get that from? Just because there was a Rob in the lawsuit? MJ >>
As I understand it, there are two Roberts at RE, one who goes by Robbie and the other by Rob.
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<< <i>Robby with The Reeded Edge is sharp >>
Would this be the Rob in the PCGS lawsuit? >>
Where did you get that from? Just because there was a Rob in the lawsuit? MJ >>
As I understand it, there are two Roberts at RE, one who goes by Robbie and the other by Rob. >>
I've seen Robbie Jenkins from The Reeded Edge at several shows and have dealt with him in the past. Sells quality coins from what I can tell.
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<< <i>Robby with The Reeded Edge is sharp >>
Would this be the Rob in the PCGS lawsuit? >>
Where did you get that from? Just because there was a Rob in the lawsuit? MJ >>
It's a little more than just the first name
Thanks for clarifying there are two Roberts at The Reeded Edge everyone.
Robert Lehmann, President and Founder (in PCGS lawsuit):
<< <i>Robert Lehmann is the founder of the Reeded Edge. As president, he oversees all aspects of the company’s business. Robert's credentials include a Business and Marketing degree from the University of Maryland. He is a LIFE MEMBER of the American Numismatic Association, a LIFE MEMBER of the prestigious National Silver Dollar Round Table, as well as a LIFE MEMBER of both F.U.N. and C.S.N.S. Robert is also an authorized dealer for the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS), an authorized dealer for the American Numismatic Association Certification Service (ANACS). His accomplishments in the areas of numismatics are numerous, including assembling 2 of the world's finest early dollar sets and 3 world-class Morgan Silver Dollar sets. He has bought and sold over one hundred million dollars worth of rare coins spanning a 20+ year career in the numismatic hobby. Robert is a regular on the national coin show circuit, displaying at over 25 shows per year. He enjoys writing, and has contributed articles to various hobby publications including the Coin Dealer Newsletter. >>
Robbie Jenkins, Senior Numismatist (not in lawsuit):
<< <i>Robbie Jenkins is a senior numismatist for the Reeded Edge. Robbie holds a BS degree in Economics and a BS degree in political science from Frostburg State University. He is a long-time collector of U.S. coins, paper money and exonumia with a broad knowledge in many areas of numismatics. Robbie served as the sole ANA Numismatic Intern from June, 2007 until August, 2007. His responsibilities with the ANA included working with the museum staff, organizing and cataloging portions of the ANA's collection, as well as researching and handling U.S. coins, ancient coins and paper money. Robbie also served as a library assistant for the ANA, helping members to locate appropriate reference material. He even assisted patrons in valuing their coins. Robbie is a member of the ANA, Western Maryland Coin Club, Early American Coppers and Pennsylvania Association of Numismatists. He is also a member of PCGS, NGC and CoinTalk online forums. Robbie has earned numerous awards, both in and outside of the hobby in recognition of his outstanding leadership skills. >>
With that being said, there aren't many younger dealers around and the number of them who are known nationally and travel on the coin show tour is very small. You can probably count the number of young dealers on your fingers the ones who are professionals who got into the business without having a parent or family member already involved.
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<< <i>I'm flattered by the few mentions so far.
With that being said, there aren't many younger dealers around and the number of them who are known nationally and travel on the coin show tour is very small. You can probably count the number of young dealers on your fingers the ones who are professionals who got into the business without having a parent or family member already involved. >>
Luckily nepotism is alive and well in numismatics
Will Robins has already been mentioned, and justly so.
DaveE<<There are plenty of kids coming up. You will not notice them until the "old guard" retires.>>
Not as far as I know, who are they?
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<< <i>Watch out for those McINTOSH kids of John, Peter and Andy. >>
I do like the McIntosh boys, great bunch of guys to do buisness with.
<< <i>John Kraljevich gets my vote!
It's too obvious to say he is the next Tony Terranova, but I'll say it anyway.......
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The second generation has a headstart merely on the basis of having a working numismatist in the house.
Kleinsteuber is very sharp; he works for Tim Carroll, though Tim says Matt thinks it's the opposite. Ryan Carroll is uniquely positioned with natural talent, home-schooling, PCGS grader experience, excellent post-graduate tutelage, and the Heritage financial and distribution platforms.
<< <i>It's not nepotism, it's environment, love and DNA.
The second generation has a headstart merely on the basis of having a worKing numismatist in the house.
Kleinsteuber is very sharp; he works for Tim Carroll, though Tim says Matt thinks it's the opposite. Ryan Carroll is uniquely positioned with natural talent, home-schooling, PCGS grader experience, excellent post-graduate tutelage, and the Heritage financial and distribution platforms. >>
How idealistic of you. Just so you know, I said that somewhat in jest in that I am a second generation coin dealer and part of the sub-30 crowd. Yes I have been doing this my whole life but I would likely not be in this business if not for my family connection. Especially with the economy as it is, a lot more 2nd generation people are entering the business. I think within the sub-30 and even the sub-40 crowd, there are a lot of up and coming dealers but few if any future numismatic scholars.
Their sales volume?
Their ability to pick out the rare variety in a junk box?
Their ability to upgrade coins from the bourse that no one else thought could upgrade? By any means possible?
Their contributions to the hobby (ie. mentoring new collectors, teaching courses at national shows and at the ANA summer seminars, writing books and artciles, etc.)?
Their stepping up to fight the unseemly elements in numismatics (outing counterfeits and frauds on ebay, testifying against crooked telemarketers, etc.)?
Just being pleasant and knowledgeable on the bourse and in chatrooms?
<< <i>How are we defining " "new" great dealers" and what makes them great?
Their sales volume?
Their ability to pick out the rare variety in a junk box?
Their ability to upgrade coins from the bourse that no one else thought could upgrade? By any means possible?
Their contributions to the hobby (ie. mentoring new collectors, teaching courses at national shows and at the ANA summer seminars, writing books and artciles, etc.)?
Their stepping up to fight the unseemly elements in numismatics (outing counterfeits and frauds on ebay, testifying against crooked telemarketers, etc.)?
Just being pleasant and knowledgeable on the bourse and in chatrooms? >>
What other quailfies one to be a dealer? Do most of the dealers on the big show circuit have a home base brick and mortar store? I know that some do, but from reading here over the years i gather some just go from show to show and try to make a living on what they can buy that comes thru the door, from other dealers and resell it?
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RIP "BEAR"
Just to clarify a few things, I am Robbie Jenkins and am not named in the lawsuit. I had barely started college when many of the accusations in the lawsuit allegedly occured. I do work for Rob Lehmann at The Reeded Edge who is named in the lawsuit, but has not been found guilty of anything. In response to one comment, I do consider myself a dealer. This is my fulltime job; I work hard and take my job very seriously. I personally attend 30-40 shows every year, some with Rob, some as the sole representative of the company. If you attend enough shows, you will eventually see me behind the table or running around a bourse floor.
I consider myself easygoing and pretty approachable. Any of you who know me know that I am pretty laid back and easy to talk to.
As for the thread itself, if you attend a larger national show, you will see a group of us younger dealers in the business/hobby. There could always be more (and hopefully will be), but it is refreshing to see other younger faces interested in coins.
For a large selection of U.S. Coins & Currency, visit The Reeded Edge's online webstore at the link below.
The Reeded Edge
Peter McIntosh of McIntosh Coins out of NorCal (McIntosh Coins)
I must'nt forget, albeit controversial on the forums, Jared of bnb coins out of SoCal (BNB Coins)
Aaron Lancaster of Lancaster coin (no website)
all are about 24 and up and i think have potential to be real good dealers. i saw a few of them at the last ontario show.
-jordan
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In this new world we are in, that is actually a pretty important skill....
<< <i>What other quailfies one to be a dealer? Do most of the dealers on the big show circuit have a home base brick and mortar store? I know that some do, but from reading here over the years i gather some just go from show to show and try to make a living on what they can buy that comes thru the door, from other dealers and resell it? >>
In this business one does not need an actual B/M store or storefront to be considered a full time business. There are also many B/M stores that are not open regular hours and are accessible by appointment only.
Spectrum Group, the largest non-government numismatic company in the U.S. by revenue does not have a retail store and is not open to the public. Does that mean Spectrum is not a "real" full time company? Hardly.
What do Kevin Lipton, John Danreuther, Bryan Fazio and Legend Numismatics have in common? None of them have retail shops yet nobody would ever consider these dealers to be not real dealers.
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John Agre and Dave Wnuck are already too long in the tooth to qualify.
<< <i>Lets not forget Michael Berkman and John Brush.
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Wow, Ian! Thanks for the inclusion here. It's hard to consider myself a "new" or young coin dealers since I've spent the last 7 or so years on the road!
We should not forget you as a leader in the industry as well.
A couple of others to consider in no particular order: Ryan Fischer (US Coins), Brian Hodge (Lee Minshull Rare Coins), Brett Charville (Carter Numismatics), Yosef Baker
I am sure there are others that I might not know or that I'm forgetting, but there aren't a ton of younger guys (or gals) out there.
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<< <i>John Kraljevich gets my vote!
And is without a doubt the foremost of the young researchers and catalogers...
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I will say that I don't know many younger coin dealers but I have dealt with a few who I feel are at the top of the list.
Peter McIntosh...Becoming very knowedgable and a pleasure to deal with.
Andy McIntosh...Peter's brother and also very charismatic and understanding.
Dave Christensen...Helps his dad John out at shows and is friendly and patient.
Melissa Karstedt...Only met her once when she attended Santa Clara. A beautiful, bright and talented young lady.
Wei Chang (WTCG)...An excellent grader with an incredible eye. All around one of the best
I don't know these guys personally but I've heard great things about these younsters.
Ryan Carroll...from Heritage. I've heard he's an excellent grader.
John Kraljevich...What a stellar reputation.
Michael Berkman...Don't know much about him but he's been mentioned.
John Brush...From DLRC. Don't know him but I've heard some good things.
Matt K....The kid from NFC in Florida. Haven't met him but he's been mentioned plenty of times.
I'm sure I've missed some talented younsters but those are a few who come to mind.
Jon Rosenthal at Rare Coins of New Hampshire and Chris Clements Northeast Numismatics!
<< <i> John Brush...From DLRC. Don't know him but I've heard some good things. >>
Nice to meet you JSsson! Apparently you've talked to my mother as she's the only one who says nice things about me!
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email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
Good move!
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Good move! >>
darn it... whadit I miss?
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<< <i>What other quailfies one to be a dealer? Do most of the dealers on the big show circuit have a home base brick and mortar store? I know that some do, but from reading here over the years i gather some just go from show to show and try to make a living on what they can buy that comes thru the door, from other dealers and resell it? >>
In this business one does not need an actual B/M store or storefront to be considered a full time business. There are also many B/M stores that are not open regular hours and are accessible by appointment only.
Spectrum Group, the largest non-government numismatic company in the U.S. by revenue does not have a retail store and is not open to the public. Does that mean Spectrum is not a "real" full time company? Hardly.
What do Kevin Lipton, John Danreuther, Bryan Fazio and Legend Numismatics have in common? None of them have retail shops yet nobody would ever consider these dealers to be not real dealers. >>
I do not think most would question SPECTRUM, LEGEND and some others. That was not my question.
Let me try to be a little more clear this time, is there any real difference between the dealers that attend the local and regional shows verse those that go from state to state on the big show. I know at the Fort Worth ANA show a lot of the local dealers were there as well although most were in the back of the room. Do you have to file paperwork with the comptrollers office in each state that you attend shows in? Is a DBA all that is needed?
Who are the "new" great dealers?
My vote for young dealer goes to Lance Hipps although he is always set up with the old man
JM8787 listed 4 new dealers or younger ones and only 2 have websites. I would have thought the younger ones would be high tech.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
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I think it's still too early to say whether BNB will become one of the "great" dealers, but he is definitely taking a different approach than the rest... I've never seen any other dealers dressing up and serenading their potential customers:
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<< <i>Let me try to be a little more clear this time, is there any real difference between the dealers that attend the local and regional shows verse those that go from state to state on the big show. I know at the Fort Worth ANA show a lot of the local dealers were there as well although most were in the back of the room. Do you have to file paperwork with the comptrollers office in each state that you attend shows in? Is a DBA all that is needed?
Who are the "new" great dealers?
My vote for young dealer goes to Lance Hipps although he is always set up with the old man
JM8787 listed 4 new dealers or younger ones and only 2 have websites. I would have thought the younger ones would be high tech. >>
Perhaps I misunderstood your previous statements but they felt like they were implying that if a dealer doesn't have a retail store open to the public then they are not considered real dealers.
Good reputation and expertise supersedes the number of shows attended in importance although the dealers who frequently travel and attend shows nationally are better known to the dealer community on a nationwide level. The ones who stay local or stick to one region are more unknown, especially to those who are not from that region. It's not to say that they lack talent, but the amount of talent they possess isn't as widely known by other dealers.
The paperwork and filing requirements differ by state. In some states you don't need to file any paperwork whatsoever while other states have very specific requirements that must be met. Some states are notorious for sending enforcement agents to the shows on a normal basis. Most states fall somewhere in the middle.
As for the website issue, while I can't speak for others it's not that I don't like technology. I'm located in Silicon Valley almost within throwing distance of Google and Apple so folks here can't help but embrace it. The problem is that my inventory turnaround is normally very fast and I have limited labor resources keep a website updated and current. Also I don't deal much with the public so I don't have a large audience that needs to view fancy pictures with juiced up descriptions. Those are the real reasons why I do not maintain a website.
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JM8787 listed 4 new dealers or younger ones and only 2 have websites. I would have thought the younger ones would be high tech. >>
I find it funny that Wei is the only one of those 4 that I have ever even heard of...And I travel to ALL of the major and regional shows...And Wei is obviously a great guy.
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I think it's still too early to say whether BNB will become one of the "great" dealers, but he is definitely taking a different approach than the rest... I've never seen any other dealers dressing up and serenading their potential customers:
New BNB Video
Jarett, I know you're reading this, you know we've talked it out and buried the hatchet, so, take this for what it's worth:
Even though he has the drive, and he is stepping up his game, laying out some good $$ for items to sell, even spreading into ancients (should go with colonials too), I think it's waaaaay early to forecast whether Jarett of BNB will be one of the 'greats' in numismatics (he HAS come a long way, and his 'BNB' attitude seems to have taken the permanent vacation he needed it to, and the real Jarett has taken over....hey, we've all done stupid things when we were younger...I'm still making them....but Jarett has improved maybe not by leaps and bounds, but at least by leaps, and thats a damn good start)....... but ONE thing is for SURE....he WON'T be one of the future 'greats' as a singer! Don't give up the day job, Jarett (I know you're reading this!) lol
Disclaimer.....I have spoken to Jarett personally, in the recent past on the phone, and ATS (he's actually a pretty decent guy when you talk to him, but needed to step out of that 'aggressive' BNB personna), . He's 'grown up', or 'conformed', however you wish to put it....and most here, as well as on CT, and ATS, KNOW I was all over him like the cheapest of cheap suits.....but he HAS changed, for the better...(ANY props coming from me to him should be a measuring stick...I battled with him till he got tossed from every coin forum I saw him on...I even got a weeks banishment ATS for it)... so he knows I'm NOT attacking him, but just roasting him....and given that voice (not to mention that GOD AWFUL Rico Suave 'stache), it's a WELL deserved roasting!!! Don't make look bad, now that I've publicly stood up for ya, Jarett!!!
Oh, re-record that song you recorded in the video, as you said 'BNB.com' (not BNBCOINS.com) at 3:51 into it, and unless you started a bed and breakfast.....
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<< <i>What other quailfies one to be a dealer? Do most of the dealers on the big show circuit have a home base brick and mortar store? I know that some do, but from reading here over the years i gather some just go from show to show and try to make a living on what they can buy that comes thru the door, from other dealers and resell it? >>
In this business one does not need an actual B/M store or storefront to be considered a full time business. There are also many B/M stores that are not open regular hours and are accessible by appointment only.
Spectrum Group, the largest non-government numismatic company in the U.S. by revenue does not have a retail store and is not open to the public. Does that mean Spectrum is not a "real" full time company? Hardly.
What do Kevin Lipton, John Danreuther, Bryan Fazio and Legend Numismatics have in common? None of them have retail shops yet nobody would ever consider these dealers to be not real dealers. >>
I do not think most would question SPECTRUM, LEGEND and some others. That was not my question.
Let me try to be a little more clear this time, is there any real difference between the dealers that attend the local and regional shows verse those that go from state to state on the big show. I know at the Fort Worth ANA show a lot of the local dealers were there as well although most were in the back of the room. Do you have to file paperwork with the comptrollers office in each state that you attend shows in? Is a DBA all that is needed?
Who are the "new" great dealers?
My vote for young dealer goes to Lance Hipps although he is always set up with the old man
JM8787 listed 4 new dealers or younger ones and only 2 have websites. I would have thought the younger ones would be high tech. >>
alot of them dont. some who are smart do, but a lot of them odnt.