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keithdagen

Went to a show in Dallas today, sold 3 Modern Type gold pieces that I had recently upgraded. Then purchased 5 pieces for my Complete Type set. 1 PCGS, 4 other. Will try to cross the others using my 4 freebies that come with the Platinum membership.

1853 Gold Dollar NGC MS-61 -- This is the piece I really wanted. It's the only affordable gold piece left for the set. Everything else is $750+ in AU grades. Maybe next year I can get the Type 2 gold dollar or the 3 dollar gold. Saw a PR-66 3 dollar and a MS-67 Saint at the show.

1858 Seated Half Dime Stars Obverse ANACS AU-58 -- My scanner does not do much for ANACS coins, this one has reddish toning on the obverse and is only toned on the lower half of the reverse.

1861 Seated Half Dime Legend Obverse ANACS MS-61 -- Deep original toning, with greens and blues mixed with reds.

1889 Seated Liberty Dime Legend Obverse ANACS MS-62 -- Mostly white with light gold toning. Clashed die, with portions of the obverse visible on the reverse around the E in Dime.

1862 Type 3 Three Cents Silver PCGS MS-62 -- Bright piece with light toning around the rims.

Came very close to buying a $2.50 Liberty in PCGS MS-65 until I saw that there was a small copper spot that had formed on the reverse. Looked at some SLQ's as well, but nothing with a solid enough strike to upgrade.

Keith

CarlWohlforth

My, my you have been busy today. I like them, an interesting bunch. I can't believe you already have scans posted. Good luck on the crossing!

There are a lot of seated coins in the complete set though aren't there? With arrows, no arrows, with legends, stars and so forth. And that for each denomination. That is where the toning comes in to play, it sure makes things more interesting!

I've already been kicked off the front page of the complete set. This is starting to sound like the 20'th century set. Oh, well, it may be years before I get back on the front page.

keithdagen

If all are able to cross at about the same grade, this does nothing for me on Complete Gold, moves me to #4 on Complete CSN, and into #9 for the Combo set. Unfortunately, that will be the last of the additions for a really long time.

Keith

itsnotjustme

Keith,
Nice purchases, good luck on the crossing!

I have a PR65 3CN on the way into my complete CNS set, so I should move up. If you cross all those, you'll stay ahead of me.

keithdagen

Brian,

Saw a few Seated proofs that would almost make me a believer. It is amazing how different "classic" proofs can look versus "moderns."

Carl,

The With Arrows seems kind of lame, because you have Arrows Legend Obverse, and Arrows Stars Obverse. The Arrows & Rays look pretty cool though. That portion of the set is the most annoying because the changes are really subtle on the smaller pieces. These middle date pieces seem to be really hard to find in what I consider collectible grades (AU58 to MS62).

Keith

Dabigkahuna

Nice little hoard you have going there.
Congratulations on the new additions.
I really like the Gold and that 1862 3c silver!!

Have any dupes now that you picked up these Gems?? Hmmm?


Larry
Dabigkahuna

lordmarcovan

Great work, Keith. I am playing on Complete Type, too, but decided not to make any additions until I completed 1900-present (maybe in the next two weeks-gasp!) I might not be able to replace the middle SLQ I just sold for a bit, though. Thanks to you I have the NM Saint, so now it is just the SLQ, the Barber half, and the WM Saint. Then I might get back to those 19th century lovelies that used to be my primary focus in my old 1798-2000 nongold set (the proof Indian in my icon was part of that old set-wish I hadn't sold it). Then again, I dunno if I am disciplined or patient enough to work on a set that would take the rest of my life to complete. I might just delete my Complete Type set, tweak the 1900-present until I am happy with it, and go back to "The Dark Side" (probably British coins or thalers or world gold).

Larry- I gave you some more kind words on my Barber half thread. The quest continues. That 1907 oughtta be in your mailbox Monday or Tuesday, I would think. I just heard a conservation service mentioned that I hadn't known about (NCS, was it?)- maybe with some treatment that coin would have the eye appeal it deserves. Heaven knows the reverse and 85% of the obverse on it were stunning...

PS- Keith- those were exactly the sort of grades I used to buy in Type coins. Very nice. Who needs high MS stuff? At the price, I think what you have there is a much better value.

lordmarcovan

PPSS- had to wait for my sluggish dialup modem to load the pics. Love that trime. The 1889 dime looks like an identical twin to the 1884 NGC 62 I had in my old set.

cosmicdebris

Nice set of coins you picked up Keith. Someday I'll start at that end of the coins. I may do something with early halves. For now once I finish the gold for the 1900 set I am going to have to take a break for awhile.

lordmarcovan

Carl-as to Seated varieties, I counted 23 in my old set, if you include the Twenty Cent and the Trade dollar, which I did. (My guidlines for that type set was everything recognized by the Redbook as a separate type, from 1798 up, and a few like the 1909 VDB cent, that weren't). I sold all the Seated stuff as a single entity- a subset, if you will- to oreville. (He has since added some proof Seated stuff that blows away what I sold him- I think he posted some recently).

I included all No Stars, With Stars, Legend Obverse, Arrows (both the 1850's and 1870's variants), Arrows and Rays, No Motto, and With Motto coins. I did not get into No Drapery versus With Drapery, as I figured the No Stars coins doubled well enough as No Drapery examples, too. Just about everything I had was EF40 to MS62, mostly AU, and the keystone was the 1842 No Motto dollar in ANACS AU50 (worth about $600 by itself, but the coin was a tad baggy). I sold the whole shebang, all 23 pieces, for a little over 2 grand, which built a large chunk of my current Registry set. (That's how I was able to climb so fast from about 15% completion to 96%, in just a few months).

That Seated mini-set would probably have done a lot better on eBay, but September 11th happened halfway through the auction. Thank goodness it went to a friend. I had no reserve on it. The twenty cent piece came from Darin (BigD5), long before I ever met him over here. I had just joined up here when I sold all that stuff.

Sorry if I bored y'all with my ramblings. Keith's coins took me on a little trip down memory lane. *Sigh*.

Maybe I will play on Complete Type when I finish 1900-present, but if Carl has been kicked off the front page there, I shudder to think of where I am. Haven't looked in so long. I'm probably sub-basement. Hmm...

keithdagen

Results are in. The Gold Dollar crossed to AU-58. Don't have a real problem with that, because it appeared like it might have had some rub. (This is the second MS-61 NGC gold piece that crossed to PCGS as AU-58, last one was a No Motto Indian $10). The other three pieces did not cross because of Altered Surfaces.

Keith

TWQG

Ouch! Will you crack and try again?


Sean

CarlWohlforth

Ouch is right!

keithdagen

I asked KK to take a look at them and see if he could spot anything from the scans. I didn't see anything in person before I sent them, although I thought the darkest Half Dime might be AT.

Altered Surfaces are defined as -- whizzed, harsh cleaning, thumped over

If they arrive before next weekend, I will try to unload them back to they guys I bought them from. If not, E-Bay with a caveat that PCGS wouldn't cross them.

Keith

itsnotjustme

Keith,
Sorry to hear it. Good luck with them.

braddick

"Altered Surfaces" sounds like a euphemism for "not quite sure, so lets just play it safe and bodybag the whole bunch!".
The coins sure look good to me Keith. I'm not sure what PCGS is seeing that NO ONE else is.

keithdagen

They probably graded these right after that Lincoln of yours and decided to smack the next half dozen for that submission you attempted.

Keith

braddick

Agreed! What hurts is my Lincoln was and is a .15 cent coin. Ouch!

KoinKollector

That 1889 looks like a nice coin. I dont see any problem w/ it.
The 1858 half dime, I really cant tell. Need a better scan Keith.
The 1861, it is that dark? The only thing i can even think of there is AT.
Dont feel like your alone. The past few submission of seated material ive taken a bashing. I purchased a few coins at FUN and asked Brian Greer his opinion. (brian greer is one of the top seated dime dudes & a VERY conservative grader) He agreed w/ all of the grades but one. He thought my 1846 was a VF25, not a VF30. That was a whole fiasco. It 1st came back as a F15. I got it in a VF20 holder now, so if i sell now im only out 300 or so. He also thought my 1859-S was a lock AU50, PCGS thought diffrent.

Bcsican

Its one of the main reasons I dont buy ANACS coins anymore. I hate to say it but they will slab just about anything. Time and time again I see more and more coins I question on being slabbed and many of the coins seem to be cleaned in some sort of way, yes I know there are exceptions to that and there are some quality coins, but I think they are far and few between.

I sent in a 1955 dble die Lincoln to PCGS came back cleaned,
sent the same coin to NGC, came back also in a body bag, cleaned.
Sent it to ANACS and it came back AU 58. The thing that is interesting I owned the coin for about 25 years and I wasnt the one who cleaned it. This is only one example of many......

keithdagen

Sean,

None of the coins were as dark as the scans. My scanner doesn't like ANACS pieces because of the depth of the coins when seated in the holder. They always turn out blurry, NGC too. When I get them back from PCGS, I'll take some bigger scans and repost the pics of the 3 DNC's.

Matt,

I saw no signs of anything but originality on these pieces, except that the darker one looked like it might have some questionable toning.

Keith