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Bought a few Rick Snow IHC's. Thoughts on this one?

lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I purchased a few nice Indian Heads from old Eagle Eye. Rick has some wonderful stuff on his website. It was a pleasant purchasing experience, all around.

This is a raw one I'll send in for grading. Any guesses on the verdict from PCGS?
Lance.

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm going to grade it low end 62RB, high end 63RB. I think it's closer to a 62 than a 63 though.
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is it not in a slab already? Is the coin a common coin thats worth under a 100 bucks?

    Ken
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Nice coin - 64RB? (although the pic makes it look raw!?)
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    pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    unc detail, altered or colored surfaces.
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    SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62-63 RB. Color looks OK to me.
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    BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    63RB
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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lance, I like the Indian, whatever it grades. I'd say 63rb with a shot at 64rb due to the strike quality of the tips of the feathers. Great coin!!!
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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lance . . .

    I believe that would be a shot 64RB with a lock 63RB. I'd buy it as a 64RB.

    How is the racing???

    Drunner
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great looking coin Lance, a real beaut. Looks 64, but I am no expert....
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    pcpropcpro Posts: 139 ✭✭
    64 or 65 RB

    The color is just fine !!!
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    drddmdrddm Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice IHC Lance image

    I'm in with the 63 RB crowd.

    Good luck and let us know how you do.
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63rb, my guess

    Tom

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    TevaTeva Posts: 830 ✭
    RB64 OR 65 very nice great date.
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    very nice strike. Is it a proof? 64RB
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    RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭
    AU58, looks like a tad bit of rub on the ribbon and hair.
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    kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    I was thinking 64RB best case scenario...
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 R/B, Looks to have a tad of Blue Ribbon or mineral spirits residue on it, unless it's the photo.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,485 ✭


    << <i>very nice strike. Is it a proof? 64RB >>

    No, definitely not.

    It looks like a 64RB to me. But I always wonder about coins like this which aren't certified, and feel that the chances of a negative grading surprise are much greater than those of a positive one.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is it not in a slab already? Is the coin a common coin thats worth under a 100 bucks?
    Nice coin - 64RB? (although the pic makes it look raw!?)
    It is raw. I'm going to have it holdered.

    unc detail, altered or colored surfaces
    AU58, looks like a tad bit of rub on the ribbon and hair.
    I hope not! But anything's possible.

    I believe that would be a shot 64RB with a lock 63RB. I'd buy it as a 64RB. How is the racing??? Drunner
    Lots of guesses around here. I would be fine with 63RB. (Racing's great, Jeff. Still waiting for you and your CBX to come out.)

    very nice strike. Is it a proof? 64RB
    Business strike.

    Thanks for the opinions!
    Lance.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Attractive coin! I'll guess 62RB.



    << <i>Why is it not in a slab already? >>



    I'm going to guess it's because as there's little price swing among the grades surrounding that which Rick forsaw it grading and because of his established reputation as in IHC specialist, it became a low priority to get in plastic before trying to sell. Looks like that decision saved him a few bucks and the cost of not being able to sell it while enqueued at PCGS, as the OP saw fit to buy it raw.
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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I would say easily MS-64RB, shot 65RB.
    Tom

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    agentjim007agentjim007 Posts: 6,256 ✭
    'm going to guess it's because as there's little price swing among the grades surrounding that which Rick forsaw it grading and because of his established reputation as in IHC specialist, it became a low priority to get in plastic before trying to sell. Looks like that decision saved him a few bucks and the cost of not being able to sell it while enqueued at PCGS, as the OP saw fit to buy it raw.

    I agree. Many dealers would try and sell raw first. Rick Snow is suppose to be the Indian cent expert. Doesn't do his rep any good to try and pawn off a problem coin without disclosure. I'm pretty sure it will grade but I won't guess what grade.
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin!! Sorry I missed it. I have bought several from Rick Snow and absolutely trust his judgement--raw or slabbed. Here are a couple of mine(in slabs).
    I believe yours should grade MS64RB. Best of luck.
    Jim

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    CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Ike,
    Great date and handsome grained look. How does it look in person?

    To me the color does not look stable and I would expect that it will darken over time regardless of how PCGS treats it when submitted.

    Also, the photo gives a somewhat oily appearance, which could just be the photo. If it's not, that combined with the toning feel and the toning pattern makes me think the coin could have some kind of history. It could have some rub, or somebody may have hinkle pinkled with the color. Either way, PCGS could get nervous about the color stability and that would be all it takes for them to shy away from a grade.

    None of which is possible to tell from a photo by the way - so you can also elect to throw these comments in the trash. Thanks for posting, great thread.
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    lkeigwin, Have you asked Rick? It seems to me he would be in the best position to comment....Mike
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd feel comfortable buying as MS63RB and would pass at a higher grade unless holdered as PCGS MS64RB, a little too much field friction/discoloration for my tastes and the luster not being all that bold. I'd have to venture that the majority of dealers (not specifically IHC dealers) would try to buy this raw as MS62 to ensure no downside. The kind of coin imo NGC could 64 but PCGS might not. On a bad day at PCGS I can definitely see this going 62 because there is a slight tad of high point friction/discoloration on the cheek, 3rd diamond, etc.


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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭

    I promise you, Rick is very approachable. If you have any questions about a coin that he has, just ask him.
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    kurtdogkurtdog Posts: 1,456
    That's a delicious one. Aside from the little spot on the ear, there aren't really any other distractions. I like stronger diamonds, but that hardly influences my grade. I'm with the MS64RB gang on this one. You get worse than that, I think you got robbed. These are outstanding pics, BTW, to grade off of.
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the compliments! The coin is a MS63RB. It came from a collection that was built through me between 5 and 10 years ago. He bought it as a MS63RB back in 2003 and it still is one. The former owner never bothered to submit it, and I would have sent it in had I had it for Long Beach. My price for a MS63 is $550 and I would have asked that had I had the chance to submit it. It sold for $450, slightly discounted to account for the slabbing fee, so, I guess I priced it like a MS62RB, since my price for a MS60RB is $400.

    Please tell us what it grades, and it is a coin I buy again and again as a MS63RB. Raw or otherwise.

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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,404 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks for the compliments! The coin is a MS63RB. It came from a collection that was built through me between 5 and 10 years ago. He bought it as a MS63RB back in 2003 and it still is one. The former owner never bothered to submit it, and I would have sent it in had I had it for Long Beach. My price for a MS63 is $550 and I would have asked that had I had the chance to submit it. It sold for $450, slightly discounted to account for the slabbing fee, so, I guess I priced it like a MS62RB, since my price for a MS60RB is $400.

    Please tell us what it grades, and it is a coin I buy again and again as a MS63RB. Raw or otherwise.

    Posted from the Philly show which is quite active. >>



    This answers why its not in a slab. Let us know how it grades out.

    Ken
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    BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    ..."The coin is a MS63RB. It came from a collection that was built through me between 5 and 10 years ago. He bought it as a MS63RB back in 2003 and it still is one...

    Good call "little" Rick. image
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great coin! I would buy that for a 7070 set in a heartbeat. The color and the strike both look spot-on and pleasing.

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