How could anyone be sophisticated enough to make a fake slab, but make such an ignorant mistake? Something is weird here, I think it may not be as it seems.
I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit."
<< <i>What "tells" are you guys seeing that this slab is fake?
Not doubting you, just curious. >>
I think there's a good chance that it is a mechanical error and not a counterfeit slab. It makes no sense to use a grading label/slab that is so obviously not a match to the coin.
I think the guy is useing photoshop and putting different coins into slabs that are the real deal. One morgan he has up shows it quite easily. Then again it just could be a mistake PCGS made but I doubt it.
I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit." >>
Some people like to collect mechanical error slabs, his discription is not very good but he does list the coin as circulated.
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<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746 PCGS Coin #: 6169 Date, mintmark: 1836 Denomination: 50C Variety: Lettered Edge Minor Variety: Mint Error: Pedigree: Country: The United States of America Grade: MS63 Mintage: 6,545,000 PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
No guarantee that it is not a fake slab - cert numbers of legitimate coins are frequently ripped off to use on fakes. That being said, I would have sooner guessed mechanical error.
Most of his feedback is for sport cards. Looks like he only started doing coins in the last month. I did like the one feedback that simply says "good luck."
<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746 PCGS Coin #: 6169 Date, mintmark: 1836 Denomination: 50C Variety: Lettered Edge Minor Variety: Mint Error: Pedigree: Country: The United States of America Grade: MS63 Mintage: 6,545,000 PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
Does that really prove that it isn't a fake slab? Can't someone just use an old slab label or can't someone go to an auction archives like Heritage and just copy a real slab label?
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I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit." >>
hahaha, you didn't say "discussion" twice this time.
<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746 PCGS Coin #: 6169 Date, mintmark: 1836 Denomination: 50C Variety: Lettered Edge Minor Variety: Mint Error: Pedigree: Country: The United States of America Grade: MS63 Mintage: 6,545,000 PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
...it would be more interesting if there was a certification photo like NGC practices.
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Well, I feel goofy. I stared and stared at the slab, and I thought how so many of you knew it was fake, when it looked pretty authentic. Then, I actually paid attention to the coin and its alleged grade. D'oh!
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The ebay seller certainly knows that the coin in the PCGS 63 holder is not uncirculated. PCGS needs to quickly change the identification number, so the information does not show MS63.
Wonder what PCGS will offer the owner, for overgrading the coin? If the dollar amount is not sufficient, why should the owner sell it to PCGS?
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I'm surprised Hollywood doesn't get in on this. I'd probably subscribe to pay television again, if they produced a show about "COIN DRAMA" online. They could call it: "CoinFacts or Fiction"
<< <i>The ebay seller certainly knows that the coin in the PCGS 63 holder is not uncirculated. PCGS needs to quickly change the identification number, so the information does not show MS63.
Wonder what PCGS will offer the owner, for overgrading the coin? If the dollar amount is not sufficient, why should the owner sell it to PCGS? >>
If they deem it's a "mechanical error" they will just reslab the coin and call it good. It won't fall under the grade gaurantee.
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<< <i> I think there's a good chance that it is a mechanical error and not a counterfeit slab.
If so, it's a good thing that the coin isn't a nice 58, which might actually be salable in a 63 holder. >>
Exactly what I was thinking. It makes one wonder how often MS66 coins end up in MS67 holders, or even the other way around. This one is quite obvious but I'm sure others are not.
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<< <i>I'll report it to Jamie Hernandez at PCGS.
thanks,
bob >>
I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit."
Not doubting you, just curious.
<< <i>What "tells" are you guys seeing that this slab is fake?
Not doubting you, just curious. >>
I think there's a good chance that it is a mechanical error and not a counterfeit slab. It makes no sense to use a grading label/slab that is so obviously not a match to the coin.
<< <i>how does the 1894 dollar look? in his feedback...sold for$1350 raw >>
It looks quite fake.
Ken
<< <i>
<< <i>how does the 1894 dollar look? in his feedback...sold for$1350 raw >>
It looks quite fake. >>
I suspected so, just a scumbag seller it would seem
<< <i>
<< <i>I'll report it to Jamie Hernandez at PCGS.
thanks,
bob >>
I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit." >>
Some people like to collect mechanical error slabs, his discription is not very good but he does list the coin as circulated.
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<< <i>Some people like to collect mechanical error slabs, his discription is not very good but he does list the coin as circulated. >>
Hell of a markup for a mechanical error.
Cert Verification #: 18098746
PCGS Coin #: 6169
Date, mintmark: 1836
Denomination: 50C
Variety: Lettered Edge
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS63
Mintage: 6,545,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100
<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746
PCGS Coin #: 6169
Date, mintmark: 1836
Denomination: 50C
Variety: Lettered Edge
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS63
Mintage: 6,545,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
No guarantee that it is not a fake slab - cert numbers of legitimate coins are frequently ripped off to use on fakes. That being said, I would have sooner guessed mechanical error.
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Most of his feedback is for sport cards. Looks like he only started doing coins in the last month. I did like the one feedback that simply says "good luck."
<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746
PCGS Coin #: 6169
Date, mintmark: 1836
Denomination: 50C
Variety: Lettered Edge
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS63
Mintage: 6,545,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
Does that really prove that it isn't a fake slab? Can't someone just use an old slab label or can't someone go to an auction archives like Heritage and just copy a real slab label?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>
<< <i>I'll report it to Jamie Hernandez at PCGS.
thanks,
bob >>
I did that a few minutes ago and sent the following message to the seller:
"Dear seller,
Based on your listings, you deal in enough coins to know know that the condition of this coin clearly does not match the grade on the PCGS grading label. Either there was a mechanical error or there is another type of problem. Either way, you should contact PCGS about this, rather than offering this to other buyers. This listing is now being discussed on a large coin forum and your Ebay reputation is possibly going to take a severe hit." >>
hahaha, you didn't say "discussion" twice this time.
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<< <i>It's not a fake slab. I did a cert verification on the PCGS web site:
Cert Verification #: 18098746
PCGS Coin #: 6169
Date, mintmark: 1836
Denomination: 50C
Variety: Lettered Edge
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS63
Mintage: 6,545,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,100 >>
...it would be more interesting if there was a certification photo like NGC practices.
If so, it's a good thing that the coin isn't a nice 58, which might actually be salable in a 63 holder.
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Definitely a mistake or a fake.
I'm looking into it right now.
If it's a fake we will end the auction if it's a mistake we will contact the
owner.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Jaime
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Wonder what PCGS will offer the owner, for overgrading the coin? If the dollar amount is not sufficient, why should the owner sell it to PCGS?
<< <i>The ebay seller certainly knows that the coin in the PCGS 63 holder is not uncirculated. PCGS needs to quickly change the identification number, so the information does not show MS63.
Wonder what PCGS will offer the owner, for overgrading the coin? If the dollar amount is not sufficient, why should the owner sell it to PCGS? >>
If they deem it's a "mechanical error" they will just reslab the coin and call it good. It won't fall under the grade gaurantee.
<< <i> I think there's a good chance that it is a mechanical error and not a counterfeit slab.
If so, it's a good thing that the coin isn't a nice 58, which might actually be salable in a 63 holder. >>
Exactly what I was thinking. It makes one wonder how often MS66 coins end up in MS67 holders, or even the other way around. This one is quite obvious but I'm sure others are not.