Who's the most popular post-war after the Big 4...

leadoff4

of Mantle, Clemente, Mays & Aaron. What are thoughts on who would make the Top 10? I'm sure some other names would be Williams, Koufax, Rose, Maris, Ryan, Yaz, etc. but it'd be hard to narrow it down to 10.

MBMiller25

Are you referring to rookie cards? or just players only?

Mickey71

1. Mantle
2. Mays
3. Aaron
4. Clemente
5. Koufax
6. Williams
7. Rose
8. Ryan
9. Jackson
10. Seaver

A few things I would say about this list: I would put Musial on the list; but not enough topps cards. Same with Jackie Robinson--just not enough cards. Possibly Bench, Yaz and Killebrew; but I'll stick with my 10. Clemente could probably be #2. He is incredibly popular. Always has been.

These threads are always fun.

MBMiller25

I would have to agree with Mickey. As much as I hate saying it, Musial isnt as popular as some people think in terms of collecting. There are only 28 people building the Musial Basic set and 18 building Musial Master.

1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Aaron
4. Mays
5. Ryan
6. Koufax
7. Williams
8. Rose
9. Reggie Jackson
10. Yaz, Killebrew or Seaver. Might think about throwing Cal Ripken into this as well. Very popular player.

RonBurgundy

Koufax, Ryan, Musial, Rose, T. Williams.

For some reason, Ted cards never sell as well as I think they should. Koufax cards ALWAYS sell well.

I'll flip the question - what HOF'er should be more popular but isn't? Frank Robinson is the dude for me.

MBMiller25

<< <i>I'll flip the question - what HOF'er should be more popular but isn't? Frank Robinson is the dude for me. >>



Frank Robinson or Ernie Banks for me.

leadoff4

Talking about players only, not rookie cards. Here's my list based on my experience:
1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Aaron
4. Mays
5. Koufax
6. Williams
7. Rose
8. Ryan
9. Yaz
10. Maris

leadoff4

I always hear dealers say they can't sell a Frank Robinson card or a Willie McCovey card(except for rookie card).

Mickey71

Ron Burgandy,
I would say Seaver then Schmidt (won like 12 gold gloves), Frank Robby would be 3rd to me---Hell of a player and yes very underrated.

I actually think Banks is a touch overrrated.....Please don't anyone yell at me.

Mickey71

BPorter26

I still scratch my head why Clemente was not a member of the "All Century Team" He is one of the most popular players of all time if you collect him or not.

KbKards

The more popular a player is the more people will collect him.
So the PSA set registry answers your question.
No opinions necessary, just go by the numbers.

BASIC sets registered

Mickey Mantle 119
Roberto Clemente 108
Hank Aaron 97
Sandy Koufax 76
Willie Mays 73
Pete Rose 64
Ernie Banks 57
Nolan Ryan 56
Carl Yastrzemski 55
Johnny Bench 50
Thurman Munson 46
Mike Schmidt 43
Tom Seaver 43
Al Kaline 38
Roger Maris 35
Brooks Robinson 33
Harmon Killebrew 33
Lou Brock 32
Rod Carew 30
Frank Robinson 30
Ted Williams 30
Cal Ripken Jr. 29
Stan Musial 28
Reggie Jackson 28
Willie McCovey 28
Jackie Robinson 27
Steve Carlton 26
Willie Stargell 26
Jim Catfish Hunter 25
Jim Palmer 25
Yogi Berra 23
Bob Gibson 23
Tony Perez 23
Don Drysdale 22
Rickey Henderson 22
George Brett 21
Steve Garvey 21
Billy Williams 21
Whitey Ford 20
Ron Santo 20
Juan Marichal 19
Eddie Mathews 19
Joe Morgan 19
Ken Griffey Jr. 18
Don Mattingly 17
Warren Spahn 17
Richie Ashburn 16
Bill Mazeroski 16
Dale Murphy 16
Ozzie Smith 16
Roy Campanella 15
Orlando Cepeda 15
Ty Cobb 15
Lou Gehrig 15
Gaylord Perry 15
Robin Yount 15
Rocky Colavito 14
Boog Powell 14
Pee Wee Reese 14
Tony Gwynn 13
Christy Mathewson 13
Babe Ruth 13
Duke Snider 13
Robin Roberts 12
Ted Kluszewski 12
Jim Rice 12
Joe DiMaggio 11
Bob Feller 11
Mark McGwire 11
Phil Rizzuto 11
Luis Aparicio 10
Wade Boggs 10
Gary Carter 10
Dave Concepcion 10
Gil Hodges 10
Al Rosen 10
Ralph Branca 9
Norm Cash 9
Carlton Fisk 9
Dave McNally 9
Rico Petrocelli 9
Ryne Sandberg 9
Joe Torre 9
Jerry Coleman 8
Fergie Jenkins 8
Gil McDougald 8
Eddie Murray 8
Phil Niekro 8
Alex Rodriguez 8
Cletis Boyer 7
Ron Cey 7
Roger Clemens 7
Nate Colbert 7
Bobby Doerr 7
Dock Ellis 7
Charles Gehringer 7
Hank Greenberg 7
Ken Griffey Sr. 7
Dave Kingman 7
Tony Kubek 7
Tony Oliva 7
Dave Parker 7
Kirby Puckett 7
Albert Pujols 7
Bobby Richardson 7
Bob Turley 7
Hoyt Wilhelm 7
Johnny Antonelli 6
Barry Bonds 6
Ken Boyer 6
Jim Bunning 6
Rollie Fingers 6
Nellie Fox 6
Elston Howard 6
Bill Lee 6
Mickey Lolich 6
Billy Martin 6
Bobby Murcer 6
Bill Skowron 6
Bruce Sutter 6
Ralph Terry 6
Alan Trammell 6
Early Wynn 6
Paul Blair 5
John Blanchard 5
Tony Conigliaro 5
Luke Easter 5
Johnny Evers 5
Mark Fidrych 5
George Foster 5
Jimmie Foxx 5
Jim Gilliam 5
Tom Glavine 5
Dick Groat 5
Harvey Haddix 5
Keith Hernandez 5
Sam McDowell 5
Minnie Minoso 5
Ivan Murrell 5
Johnny Pesky 5
Hal Reniff 5
Enos Slaughter 5
Bill Stafford 5
Eddie Stanky 5
Mickey Stanley 5
Tom Tresh 5
Dick Allen 4
Bob Allison 4
Buddy Bell 4
Chief Bender 4
Bert Blyleven 4
Jim Bouton 4
Ron Brand 4
Frank Chance 4
Fred Clarke 4
Eddie Collins 4
Bud Daley 4
Jim Davenport 4
Dwight Gooden 4
Ron Guidry 4
Woodie Held 4
Willie Horton 4
Ryan Howard 4
Dick Howser 4
Joe Jay 4
Derek Jeter 4
Barry Larkin 4
Hector Lopez 4
J.C. Martin 4
Pedro J. Martinez 4
Dick McAuliffe 4
Graig Nettles 4
Jim Northrup 4
Joe Nuxhall 4
Camilo Pascual 4
Joe Pepitone 4
Vada Pinson 4
Bret Saberhagen 4
Red Schoendienst 4
John Smoltz 4
Mel Stottlemyre 4
Darryl Strawberry 4
Don Sutton 4
Luis Tiant 4
Bobby Tolan 4
Bob Uecker 4
Honus Wagner 4
Roy White 4
Gus Zernial 4
Hank Bauer 3
Bobby Bonds 3
Don Cardwell 3
Bob Cerv 3
Jim Coates 3
Eric Davis 3
Tom Downey 3
Ryne Duren 3
Johnny Edwards 3
Del Ennis 3
Dwight Evans 3
Cliff Fannin 3
Bill Freehan 3
Gil Garrido 3
Sid Gordon 3
Orel Hershiser 3
Phil Linz 3
Greg Luzinski 3
Marty Marion 3
Denny McLain 3
Wally Moon 3
Deacon Phillippe 3
Adolfo Phillips 3
Ivan Rodriguez 3
Chico Salmon 3
Manny Sanguillen 3
Mike Scioscia 3
Roland Sheldon 3
Jim Sundberg 3
Jim Thome 3
Joe Tinker 3
Earl Weaver 3
Ramon Webster 3
Frank White 3
Smokey Burgess 2
Johnny Callison 2
Jose Canseco 2
Joe Carter 2
Mickey Cochrane 2
Glenn Earle Davis 2
Darrell Evans 2
Nomar Garciaparra 2
Phil Garner 2
Cesar Geronimo 2
Kirk Gibson 2
Mike Greenwell 2
Steve Hamilton 2
Toby Harrah 2
Roger Hornsby 2
Frank Howard 2
Hugh Jennings 2
Mark Langston 2
Bob Lemon 2
Mike Marshall 2
Lee May 2
Jack Morris 2
Irv Noren 2
Mel Ott 2
Lance Parrish 2
Albie Pearson 2
Pete Reiser 2
J.R. Richard 2
Dave Righetti 2
Curt Schilling 2
Gary Sheffield 2
Ted Simmons 2
Steve Stone 2
Frank Tanana 2
Manny Trillo 2
Fernando Valenzuela 2
Lou Whitaker 2
Dave Winfield 2
Garret Anderson 1
Sal Bando 1
Juan Berenguer 1
Ryan J. Braun 1
Brian Burres 1
Bert Campaneris 1
Mike Cosgrove 1
Len Dykstra 1
Ron Fairly 1
Terry Forster 1
Jim Gantner 1
Kiko Garcia 1
Dave Goltz 1
Alex Gordon 1
Ozzie Guillen 1
Ron Hassey 1
Jim Kaat 1
Roberto Kelly 1
Rusty Kuntz 1
Matt LaPorta 1
Jim Lonborg 1
Fred Lynn 1
Rick Manning 1
Edgar Martinez 1
Paul Molitor 1
Ben Oglivie 1
Al Oliver 1
Magglio Ordonez 1
Amos Otis 1
Satchel Paige 1
Frank Pastore 1
Jake Peavy 1
Johnny Podres 1
Steve Rogers 1
Ray Sadecki 1
Reggie Smith 1
Rennie Stennett 1
Chase Utley 1
Justin Verlander 1
Frank Viola 1
Omar Vizquel 1
Maury Wills 1
Don Wilson 1
Johnny Wockenfuss 1
Joe Wood 1
Ryan Zimmerman 1

Hallco

It's GOT to be this guy..............

ajw

That's a fascinating list.

BunchOBull

I think Master Sets might be a better identifier.

cwazzy

I also think that guys like Griffey and Thomas would be VERY high on the list because they played recently and had/have a huge following. They have so many cards (inserts, GU, autos, parrallels, base, etc.) that it makes grading all of them to start a registry set cost prohibitive. So even though they don't show up very high on the list they probably have many more collectors than that list represents.

Edited to say that Ross has a good point.

Blacklabelsociety

<< <i>

<< <i>I'll flip the question - what HOF'er should be more popular but isn't? Frank Robinson is the dude for me. >>



Frank Robinson or Ernie Banks for me. >>



Willie Stargell for me. Cant believe his rookie card is not worth more.

HeritageAddict

<< I'll flip the question - what HOF'er should be more popular but isn't? Frank Robinson is the dude for me. >>



Frank Robinson or Ernie Banks for me. >>

I'd also have to go with Banks.

CrimsonTider

1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Aaron
4. Mays
5 Dale Murphy
6 Dale Murphy
7 Dale Murphy
8 Dale Murphy
9 Dale Murphy
10 Nick Saban


I hope that clears it up for you

Brick

<< <i>1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Aaron
4. Mays
5 Dale Murphy
6 Dale Murphy
7 Dale Murphy
8 Dale Murphy
9 Dale Murphy
10 Nick Saban


I hope that clears it up for you >>


Actually the fact that you must show both first and last name indicates they should not be on the list. I'm sure they are well liked locally but I believe the list is nationwide. I know Dale Murphy played for the Braves but who did Nick Saban play for?

twiley

That list is awesome however it doesn't accurately answer the question.

For example the Derek Jeter Basic set was just created not even 4 months ago and many don't know it even exists.

The numbers show what I am talking about.

The Derek Jeter Master Set has 27 registered sets.
The Derek Jeter Basic and Collector Issues has 12 registered sets.
The Derek Jeter Basic Set has 4 registered sets.
The Derek Jeter Basic Topps has 14 registered sets.
The Derek Jeter Master Topps has 7 registered sets.
The Derek Jeter Rookie Set has 33 registered sets.

Dpeck100

Sweet thread. That list is very informative and is the ultimate vote.

Here is a real Hogan card.

MantleMarisFordBerra

A few thoughts on the list KbCards posted:

- I knew Mantle would be #1, but honestly I thought it'd be by a wider margin.

-Obviously the horrible, racist, ungrateful attitude Willie Mays has displayed over the years has come back to bite him & cost him some fans. He should be top three IMHO.

- Wow, I guess Teddy Ballgame just doesn't have enough cards? Or Maybe his early Playball & Leaf cards are too expensive for most collectors? He's waaaaaaaaaay down on the list!!

Toro

Mantle
Mays
Aaron
Clemente
Koufax
Rose
Seaver
Ryan
Reggie

The last card is the tough one.

Sportsamerica

1. Mickey Mantle
2. Roberto Clemente
3. Hank Aaron
4. Sandy Koufax
5. Willie Mays
6. Pete Rose
7. Nolan Ryan
8. Mike Schmidt
9. Cal Ripken Jr.
10. Yogi Berra

PowderedH2O

My question for you folks is this: I started watching baseball and collecting cards in late 1973, shortly after Clemente's death. I probably watched him in the 71 Series with my dad, but I just don't remember it. Obviously he was huge in Latin America, but was he this popular in the USA when he was still alive, or did he become much bigger later on? Because to be honest, when I look at his accomplishments and those of Al Kaline, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference, but in popularity it is enormous!

cone10

1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Koufax
4. Mays
5. Aaron
6. Williams
7. Banks
8. Jackie Robinson
9. Ryan
10. Rose

twiley

<< <i>Who's the most popular post-war after the Big 4... >>



According to PSA Player registry the most popular player sets are these.

In order from greatest to least registered.

* = Tie

Mickey Mantle Basic Set (119)
Roberto Clemente Basic Set (108)
Hank Aaron Basic Set (97)
Sandy Koufax Basic Set (76)

*Willie Mays Basic Set (73)
*Nolan Ryan Basic Topps Set (73)

Nolan Ryan Master Set (67)
Pete Rose Basic Set (65)

*Ernie Banks Basic Set (57)
*Nolan Ryan Basic Set (57)

*Mickey Mantle Master Set (56)
*Nolan Ryan Basic & Collector Issues Set (56)

Carl Yastrzemski Basic Set (55)
Johnny Bench Basic Set (50)

*Pete Rose Master Set (47)
*Pete Rose Basic Topps Set (47)

Thurman Munson Basic Set (46)

*Mike Schmidt Basic Set (43)
*Tom Seaver Basic Set (43)

*Hank Aaron Master Set (42)
*Roberto Clemente Master Set (42)

Cal Ripken Jr. Master Set (41)
Willie Mays Master Set (39)
Al Kaline Basic Set (38)

*Roger Maris Basic Set (35)
*Carl Yastrzemski Master Set (35)
*Don Mattingly Master Set (35)
*Cal Ripken Jr. Basic Topps Set (35)
*Ken Griffey Jr. Master Set (35)

Roger Clemens Master Set (34)

*Brooks Robinson Basic Set (33)
*Nolan Ryan Master Topps Set (33)
*Rickey Henderson Master Set (33)
*Harmon Killebrew Basic Set (33
*Johnny Bench Master Set (33)

*Mike Schmidt Master Set (32)
*Lou Brock Basic Set (32)

*Mark McGwire Master Set (31)
*George Brett Master Set (31)

*Rod Carew Basic Set (30)
*Frank Robinson Basic Set (30)
*Ted Williams Basic Set (30)

*Reggie Jackson Master Set (29)
*Cal Ripken Jr. Basic Set (29)

*Willie McCovey Basic Set (28)
*Stan Musial Basic Set (28)
*Alex Rodriguez Master Set (28)
*Tom Seaver Basic Topps Set (28)
*Reggie Jackson Basic Set (28)

*Jackie Robinson Basic Set (27)
*Frank Thomas Master Set (27)
*Derek Jeter Master Set (27)

*Steve Carlton Basic Set (26)
*Willie Stargell Basic Set (26)
*Sandy Koufax Master Set (26)

*Barry Bonds Master Set (25)
*Jim Palmer Basic Set (25)
*Jim Catfish Hunter Basic Set (25)

*Johnny Bench Basic Topps Set (24)
*Tom Seaver Master Set (24)

*Yogi Berra Basic Set (23)
*Tony Perez Basic Set (23)
*Bob Gibson Basic Set (23)
*Mike Schmidt Basic Topps Set (23)

*Rod Carew Master Set (22)
*Don Drysdale Basic Set (22)
*Cal Ripken Jr. Basic & Collector Issues Set (22)
*Steve Garvey Master Set (22)
*Ozzie Smith Master Set (22)
*Tony Gwynn Master Set (22)
*Rickey Henderson Basic Set (22)
*Al Kaline Master Set (22)

*Kirby Puckett Master Set (21)
*Steve Garvey Basic Set (21)
*Ken Griffey Jr. Basic & Collector Issues Set (21)
*Billy Williams Basic Set (21)
*Dave Winfield Master Set (21)
*Greg Maddux Master Set (21)
*Ernie Banks Master Set (21)
*George Brett Basic Set (21)

*Reggie Jackson Basic Topps Set (20)
*Randy Johnson Master Set (20)
*Wade Boggs Master Set (20)
*Thurman Munson Master Set (20)
*George Brett Basic Topps Set (20)
*Brooks Robinson Master Set (20)
*Carlton Fisk Master Set (20)
*Whitey Ford Basic Set (20)
*Ron Santo Basic Set (20)
*Willie Stargell Master Set (20)

Sets under 20 I didn't bother with...

melvin289

<< <i>

<< <i>1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Aaron
4. Mays
5 Dale Murphy
6 Dale Murphy
7 Dale Murphy
8 Dale Murphy
9 Dale Murphy
10 Nick Saban


I hope that clears it up for you >>


Actually the fact that you must show both first and last name indicates they should not be on the list. I'm sure they are well liked locally but I believe the list is nationwide. I know Dale Murphy played for the Braves but who did Nick Saban play for? >>



Dale Murphy, my all time favorite player.

Ron


Murphy finished his career with 398 home runs (19th in MLB history at the time of his retirement) and a .265 lifetime batting average. His MVP awards in 1982 and 1983 make him one of only four outfielders in major league history with consecutive MVP years; at the time, he was the youngest to have accomplished the feat. His many honors also include seven All-Star appearances, five Gold Gloves, and four Silver Sluggers. Murphy led the National League in home runs and RBI twice; he also led the major leagues in home runs and runs batted in over the 10-year span from 1981 to 1990. One of the most productive and decorated players of the 1980s, Murphy led the National League in games, at bats, runs, hits, extra base hits, RBIs, runs created, total bases, and plate appearances during the decade. He also accomplished a 30-30 (30 home runs with 30 stolen bases) season in 1983. Murphy played in 740 consecutive games, at the time the 11th longest such streak in baseball history. His jersey number ("3") was retired by the Atlanta Braves on June 13, 1994. In 1997, Murphy was inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame & Museum.

btcarfagno

A lot has to do with the person. Who he was, what he went through, etc. Obviously his final act has given him a status of immortality as well. Looking at just the numbers, you are right. He is the best hitter, average wise, during the decade of the 60's and may have been the greatest defensive right fielder of all time. Playing in Forbes Field didn't help his power numbers, especially with his being a line drive hitter. I just think Clemente's popularity has to do with the complexity of the man and what he did.

Blacklabelsociety

<< <i>A lot has to do with the person. Who he was, what he went through, etc. Obviously his final act has given him a status of immortality as well. Looking at just the numbers, you are right. He is the best hitter, average wise, during the decade of the 60's and may have been the greatest defensive right fielder of all time. Playing in Forbes Field didn't help his power numbers, especially with his being a line drive hitter. I just think Clemente's popularity has to do with the complexity of the man and what he did. >>



He was one of the few players that could beat you at everything. Both offense and defense. Not to mention great person and what he stood for off the field.

alifaxwa2

<< <i>
Willie Stargell for me. Cant believe his rookie card is not worth more. >>



The fact that its an ugly ass card is a big part of the problem.

Mickey71

Powdered,
Clemente went above the baseball diamond. He fought for equal rights. He did things to help out children with poverty as well as help them learn the game of baseball. When his country was devastated by an earthquake he jumped up to help and ultimately gave his life for that cause. He wasn't just giving money to the earthquake victims he was physically loading supplies on the plane and things like that and was going to deliver them. On the diamond he was a fierce competitor who won numerous batting titles and was the best right fielder in the game for a number of years. He also excelled greatly when the spotlight was on him as evidenced by his W.S. MVP in 1971. I will never forget the throw he made to third "AWESOME". 5 tool player.

PowderedH2O

No doubt about that Mickey. He gave his life doing that. What I wondered though, was he as popular in the 60's as he became posthumously? I also want to comment on those registry lists. There are sets that I have not registered on simply because I know that I cannot complete them. For example, I love Ted Williams and I have a couple of nice PSA cards. But, realistically I won't get anywhere near completing that anytime in the next ten years or so. So, I am not even registered. I would imagine that others might feel the same way. Which might mean that there might be more Mantle fans out there that collect his cards, but aren't on the player set, because they know that the 51 Bowman and 52 Topps cards will be too much money. Just a thought.

Sam

Mickey71

Powdered,
No, Clemente was not as popular in the 60's as when he died and after. But, I'm basing this on an American opinion. I guess in Latin America he was practically a god when he played. All the kids wanted to be like him. I guess women loved him also; as he was a great looking man. He stood up as a voice for the people when it was tough to do so. Very honorable man. I actually think baseball should do something huge in his honor and retire his # throughout the majors. It's athletes like him that should be celebrated as often as possible.

Mickey71

Dialj

1. Mantle
2. Clemente
3. Koufax
4. Mays
5. Aaron
6. Williams
7. Musial
8. Ripken
9. Ryan
10. Rose

thehallmark

<< <i>

<< <i>
Willie Stargell for me. Cant believe his rookie card is not worth more. >>



The fact that its an ugly ass card is a big part of the problem. >>



Amen! There are a few unfortunate major multi-player rookie cards in the 60s/70s/80s but I always thought his was the worst looking of the bunch. At least his other early cards look decent.

Surprised to see Tom Seaver cards are as popular as they are, given his unfriendly rep.

hofautos

Surprised no one mentioned Griffey, one of the most popular of all time.

Mantle
Griffey
Nolan
Ripken
Mays
Jeter
Pujols
Bench
Clemente