Do you think it was worth it?
mlaw215
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Bought this card on Ebay this morning. 1958 Topps Roger Maris GAI 9.5. Bought it for 2000 dollars. What do you guys think? Seems like this card has been around for awhile sold at alot of auctions. A little nervous about GAI but I Roger Maris is one of my favorites.
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<< <i>Awesome card! I wouldn't worry about GAI. Great pickup! >>
<< <i>I have heard all the horror stories about GAI otwcards, the only thing is it looks like its in a old GAI holder instead of a new one and I agree it doesnt make sense that someone wouldnt of subd it to SGC or PSA for at least a 9 considering it would still be more valuable according to VCP. So I guess we are going to find out. >>
I have a feeling it has been there already.
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<< <i>Dont think its such a good buy nam? >>
My twilight zone reference was to the poster that said I wouldn't worry about GAI.
You seem more educated than some newbie, so if you're comfortable with the purchase that's all that matters, but you still cant discount the fact that it's still inside a GAI holder after all this time.
Edit to add: I can see it still being in that slab because it's such a higher value card and the fact it's a Dmitri Young Collection card.
I would have to imagine that many of the previous owners have done similar math -- and there is a compelling reason it is still in a GAI holder. Most astute dealers would know that this is worth more in a PSA 9 holder than a GAI 9.5 holder -- and, as you've mentioned, this card has been around "for sale" for awhile now. If you're looking to flip and make money, I imagine that you may be disappointed. If you are looking to hold in your collection forevermore, congratulations -- the card has fantastic eye appeal.
The fact that it's in a GAI holder right now means nothing. I can't imagine any dealer looking to make a profit on this card would ever crack it and take the financial risk (I know I wouldn't). You can't tell whether it's trimmed from inside the slab, so all it probably means is that nobody was willing to take that risk. Since it seems like you have no intention of selling it, there really is no risk. The card is the card and that's never going to change. It looks like it fits the holder nicely and was graded during the heyday of GAI when not as many trimjobs were slabbed as they are now.
The other thing you can do is find cbailey or whatever the guy's name is that is Dmitri Young's collection manager and tell him your predicament and ask what he thinks. There might be a legit reason why he and Dmitri decided to not try and cross it.
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<< <i>Thanks for clearing the trimming issue up for me. I wasnt sure if you can tell if it is trimmed from inside a slab. So I agree that it has to be a financial issue with dealers not willing to risk it. I am on the fence as to whether to resub anywhere else as it is a nice card. And like you said it was graded in GAI' s heyday so Im not sure. What would you do if money didnt matter. Does it matter to you what holder its in? Or is it "buy the card" >>
If you're really considering cracking it, I would first try to submit it as a crossover. It's worth the $20. On a card of that value, PSA will notate why the card doesn't cross if it's rejected. Based on that, you could decide whether it's worth a crack and resub based on how obvious the flaw is. Plus you do have a chance that it actually would cross with a slightly higher chance of success if you specify a minimum grade of 9.
Good luck whatever you decide to do.
A little over a year ago, I bought about eight high-end vintage cards in these older GAI holders. Most were football, some baseball. Not all of them were re-holdered by SGC or PSA but considering the number that were re-holdered versus the ones that weren't, I made out just fine. Of course, it's risky.
Nice looking Maris card!
Can't see the corners, so I can't tell for sure whether it's overgraded. Can you give us a better scan of the corners?
What are the EXACT dimensions of the card?
As a minimum, you can know whether you think the corners are in the 9 area and if the card has the proper dimensions.
Did you buy it from D. Young?
Hope I'm wrong.
I'm not about to say anything more because I have no idea why it has remained in the GAI slab
or if it has any flaws or problems.
To me it looks like a nice card.
Good luck with it.
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IIRC their was a time where he had some PSA and or SGC cards put into GAI holders, this could be one of them.
If that is the case, it most probably was already a 9 or whatever the SGC equivalent is.
Who knows for sure? I always thought that he had CB buy already graded cards though.
Steve
I'm not a baseball guy but would like to buy a Maris rc one day. There are a couple PSA 1s on eBay by 707. Condition doesn't matter to me.
That's a beautiful Maris in the GAI holder. I'd like to know why it's there, but if it's authentic I personally wouldn't have a problem if eye appeal was my major concern. Some collectors don't mind re-colored or restored cards (not saying that's the case here, I have no idea).
OTW - do you know why it is in a GAI holder?
<< <i>OTW - do you know why it is in a GAI holder? >>
Considering I wasn't there when it was graded and didn't follow the card from grading through subsequent sales, I cannot state ANYTHING with absolute certainty.
However, based upon my experience in the hobby and knowing some of the hands that the card has been in, it would be logical to presume that the card has seen more than one visit to Newport Beach and/or Parsippany in an attempt to get it into at least a PSA 9/SGC 96 or better holder. Given this presumption, as others have already concurred, it would suggest that there is a specific reason that the card remains in a GAI holder.
Steve
<< <i>Scott you also were a grader at GAI?
Steve >>
Inferring the literal?
<< <i> Or it being from Dmitri Youngs collections adds supposed prestige. >>
Some pedigrees add value -- others are value-neutral or even potentially decrease value. Some of the Harris T206 collection, for instance, has had the pedigree removed based upon perceptions of card alterations to achieve such exalted grades.
I do not know of any specific collectors willing to pay premiums for cards that used to be in Dmitri Young's collection -- all the moreso as he is an active collector and has a higher-grade Roger Maris RC in his current collection.
<< <i>Inferring the literal? >>
Yeah after I wrote it and logged off I said 'self, he was a grader at SGC not at GAI and he was simply saying he was not there'
Marc
Is this one of those crackouts that Young allowed GAI to have?
Steve
Speaking of GAI on life support...I don't know about this grade. Top to bottom centering seems a bit off for a 9.5 grade IMO.
<< <i>GAI 9.5 Gretzky $28,500 Graded by Baker
Speaking of GAI on life support...I don't know about this grade. Top to bottom centering seems a bit off for a 9.5 grade IMO. >>
And the price is an opening bid with virtually ZERO chance of getting hit. I could post a 1987 Topps Alvaro Espinoza with an opening bid of $20K, but that doesn't mean it's worth that and only a foolish person would use the auction to justify such a ludicrous price point.
<< <i>VCP on a psa 8.5 is 2330 >>
Last one sold for $1402. Last PSA 9 was $4100 over a year ago.
I agree with the others. Too many collectors have owned that card and none would sell it if they thought they were leaving $2000-2500 on the table.
Personally I think the best case scenerio you can hope for is that it comes back a PSA 8 to 8.5.
I think PSA knows about problem cards in GAI holders and if you sent it in by itself raw it would get kicked out as trimmed. If you sent it in with about 15 to 20 other 58's you would have a higher chance of getting it in a holder IMO.
In about 5 more years GAI holders will literally mean trimmed cards in the hobby so getting into a legit slab will have to be done at some point unless you want to have it raw.